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They have had amazing free marketing and they still want to sue people.
It even made me a bit curious and I think GTA is dead to me after San Andreas, and Rockstar can go fuck themselves because every game they make just feels janky.
I’ll be very disappointed if they’re running windows on bare metal
If Cyberleek isn’t shitposting out of his ass and actually has a deadman’s switch which could leak the build in its entirety online, then this could be a very dumb move on Take Two’s end. The authorities would need to go full Ross Ulbricht on his ass and hope they can control the switch.
What’s even sadder is that T2I and Rockstar have been such greedy litigious fucks over the years that I’m genuinely rooting for a crypto scammer who has used this entire leak to promote his shitcoin over them.
Just the fact that the GTA6 Extended Look will be a timed Netflix exclusive gives me the ick. That’s one step removed from releasing game trailers as exclusive PPV events.
If we’re gonna start treating game reveals like UFC and WrestleMania then I’m out.
Once again, Microsoft sells you snitchware.
After seeing the leaks, I can now understand the panic. This can result in a lot of hype going away and cancelled pre-orders due to the fact that it just looks like another GTA game and not some miracle that many tried to portray.
Probably a reason they started pre-orders before showing gameplay.
Manage your expectations people.
Imagine the legal theory of their case against the leakers. “Members of the jury, these leaks caused my client to experience irreparable economic harm when they showed what a piece of shit this game was instead of allowing my client to hoodwink nostalgia driven nerds for an undoubtably countless number of pre-orders.”
Preorders for games that are going to be available digitally… it’s wild shit.
“Bu-but you can download it be-before hand and play it once the clock show the right time!!”
This can result in a lot of hype going away and cancelled pre-orders due to the fact that it just looks like another GTA game and not some miracle that many tried to portray.
yeah I was wondering how they’d pull off some kind of revolution in rendering tech… is there a source to see these leaks?
And once again: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mf5Uj4XIT1Y
Ngl, the fact that they’ll probably block me out of playing because of my OS of choice already killed the hype for me
OS of choice in this case being anything that isn’t a game console.
I am not going to buy the game multiple times, if I’m going to get it I’m gonna get it on PC where I can get mods because as sure as hell I have no interest in GTA online
Fair point
Single player will probably work. It did for V. That’s all I give a shit about personally. That said, this is kinda feeling like a yoho kinda game to me.
Some games even block you out of single player if you don’t have that kernel malware installed sadly. Battlefield 6’s single player for instance.
For sure, I’m just looking to V as precedence, but things could certainly change.
Yah that’s fair, I’m expecting things to get worse before they get better. I still have my older games, so it’s fine. I’d like to be able to try 6, but it’s not a high priority for me.
Or you could let Rockstar release the game and let your shareholders take a 0.5% hit to their stock portfolio and make it up in the games actual release…
No no no that makes too much sense and the shareholders won’t get a 1.5% bump if you release it before the next shareholders something something.
I’m not even going to buy GTA6 until I can buy with a disc.
You all don’t care about me, enjoy your game… Until it’s disc based I won’t be buying it.
I haven’t played GTA Vice City, GTA San Andreas or GTA 4 for a while… I’ll play those instead.
I understand wanting something physical but at the same time I really don’t see why a disc helps in this day and age, even if you have the disc they can take away access to your game at any time and you just install the game to your console anyway. Why does this piece of plastic actually help?
Why do y’all argue about things you don’t understand?
If a game is on disk, and a lot still are, then no, it cannot be taken away from you without literally entering your home with a warrant at least where I live.
Owning the physical disk in America at least also grants you the right to download and emulate later.
There’s also the fact that having a physical routine adds emotional attachment.
Also, and this really needs to be asked, WHY ARE SO MANY OF YOU FIGHTING FOR LESS OPTIONS? Seriously what the fuck?
Read what they wrote. These things have happened:
You buy a physical disc. It will not play until you update the console. This is a hard coded minimum version that is on the disc.
This has also happened in the reverse: a physical disc quit working after a firmware update, but the digital version worked fine, meaning the license transferred to the digital version after the update. Would the physical disc keep working? only if the dev thought it should.
The only answer is: you dont own the hardware. You have no control digital or not. Do not buy hardware you cant own.
You buy a physical disc. It will not play until you update the console. This is a hard coded minimum version that is on the disc.
the data is still available, somebody needs to figure out how to extract it and patch out the check, and it’s playable again. the patch becomes easier to distribute than the full game, both because of its size, public judgment and maybe the legal situation too. the fact that you have the disk is effectively proof of ownership.
Some disks don’t even contain the game, they’re basically big circular CD key, it’s really stupid.
somebody needs to figure out how to extract it and patch out the check, and it’s playable again.
Maybe. There are sometimes system calls and graphics optimizations that wont work, it isnt always just a patch out the check to fix situation.
I am not sure if you would even be able to get the system to install the software until the patch was implemented, which means you would have to extract the full disc in the first place and then be able to write a new one, and hope the machine would read it.
You make it sound simple and absolute. But, our rights are severely curtailed even in the U.S. via the DMCA. If your console, or even the game code on disk, requires an okay from the manufacturer as a “copyright protection” and you bypass that in any way, you have just committed a felony and are considered by the State a valid target for violence.
Of course, simply accepting the lack of physical media doesn’t help make the situation any better.
I uhh… I don’t mean on PS5. They can’t take away my PS2 and PS1 games.
They can surely cancel my right to play My disc based PS4 and PS5 games but I can just disconnect my console from the Internet and keep playing those games.
I’m 37, I prefer disc based games and I only buy digital when it’s at least 50% off or more.
There’s been more efforts to catch someone because of a game than millionaires evolved in pedofilia and human traffic
The only thing we will not get before GTA 6 is the full and unredacted Epstein files.
🤞🤞🤞
It’s not a “game”, it’s a “product”.
And they will do the same when food and water becomes a “product” too.
…Food and water are products. Literal tons of food are destroyed every single day because giving it away to those in need might affect profit margins.
Companies like Nestle buy up the water rights from under people just to bottle it and sell it right back to them.
Go attempt some vigilante justice there and see how it goes. There is no “when”. We’re there and we’ve been there for some time.
I can’t believe people expected it to look like the trailer cutscenes.
Guilty of that. I’m surprised (from the leaks, so take a massive grain of salt with that) it looks and feels like Red Dead Redemption 2, but in Florida, with cars…
Couldn’t give a rat’s ass about GTA.
So much so that you could
n’tbe bothered to comment about it!Cool!
You’re so cool! I wish I could be like you!
Oh shit, I’m fucked!
No, wait, never mind, I use Linux 🤣
cat /etc/machine-idThat’s a machine ID, GDID is Winblows exclusive. And in my case, I don’t use any big tech crap, so I’m sure that, even if they could get it, they can’t do shit with my machine ID either. I can always nuke my system, reinstall Fedora, and BOOM! new machine ID.
can microsoft still throw a GDID on a linux machine if you sign into a microsoft account while on linux? maybe not as powerful as on windows, but still as a unique identifying cookie or something?
Yes, they can. Every computing device has an ID similar to Windows GDID. You can see yours in Linux with “cat /etc/machine-id”. If I am not mistaken, it changes when you install another distros, but I’ve never checked. Now, since there is a machine ID, using Microsoft services are highly likely to grab that ID, but I am not certain that would happen, I’m just guessing it does, because Microslop. In any case, my suggestion is to remain away from any big tech bullshit as much as your needs will allow.
If you allow everything and all cookies most things are possible in theory. In practice most distros are secure enough and most users savvy enough to not accept everything blindly that it probably doesn’t happen.
If you run their software, yeah they can fingerprint your device. That includes if you visit their websites — it’s completely feasible to take a deterministic reading of various unique qualities of your machine that can be used to later identify your device as the same device in another circumstance. That doesn’t inherently provide lineage to anything identifying you, but it can easily lead to something.
Unless you have a very unique device, I imagine it’s not possible to do this posthoc with standard data collection from web traffic. You’d need to be intentionally doing this beforehand for it to be reliable.
Though… I wonder if there are certain softwares where telemetry can reasonable be used to fingerprint a device. Maybe a browser like Edge — though, who’s using Edge on Linux lol?
Telemetry is usually non-identifiable (by law if your country follows GDPR).
This form if ID is also pretty circumstantial. That might fly for advertisers but in a court of law I have my doubts.
I would not be surprised if they used minecraft for it, which is why I had my initial concern/question.
Its probably got a larger install base than any non-corporate microsoft product outside of an OS. Which would make it a fantastic snooping tool
No.
I’ll echo what most others say here: stop using discord and everything microsoft.
And maybe also reconsider if modern gaming is a worthwhile passtime.
Look, I love a good game as much as the next person. But with everything that is coming to light lately I can’t shake the feeling that I want as little digital backdoors for their tentacles around. Because they are harvesting data all over the place.
i went and set up my own hosted team speak server. tried to get my discord group of 12 people to switch over during the whole discord bullshit.
i did all the work and hosted it myself
guess how many switched over even just initially?
did you guess zero? because it was zero. “yea we are upset at discord, but if we are loud about not being happy they will change!” the real answer is ‘ i hope they change because i don’t want to be slightly inconvenienced’
I hear you (figuratively speaking, because I don’t use voice chat for gaming). My answer would be to quit.
Now I know that’s a bit extreme for some. We all have our things that we’re willing to give up or not. (Outside of gaming also).
I for example have a hard time getting people of whatsapp (pos meta spyware that it is). But keep at it, some changes take time. However, as extremer this world gets, the more people will open their eyes and take steps.
i want to stop using discord, but some important people to me refuse to leave it and its my good point of contact/talking with them, sadly.
This right here. I am in a LDR with my partner and we only use discord to talk. I have tried moving us to another platform but she doesn’t understand the big deal.
i wish my situation was that understandable, for me the other side is mostly just “I have nothing to hide, why should I care and upend everything because of it??” and the fact there is no real viable alternative that gives you even most of the stuff that discord does.
Complacency is the death of privacy.
A good argument I have here is that you also decide for everyone else that they don’t have anything to hide
Modern tripple A games are shitty 9 times out of 10, and remaining good ones are way overpriced. But gaming is on all time rise, the amount of incredible games around, made by passionate and talented people are staggering. Indy is where it’s at!
Indie games are good, but if privacy is a concern be careful of any game developed in a big engine like unity. My firewall pings a warning every time I launch a unity game because they all send analytics data back to unity. If it’s single player and you block all outgoing connections by default, you’re fine though.
True, but to be quite honest, I’m not that paranoid. The unity analytics I don’t care about, they can have that. I wouldn’t like it if they were doing something beyound checking out how their engine works, but I don’t think that’s happening yet (although I might be mistaken)
Not to defend anybody involved here but the article does not say that the request has been fulfilled, only filed
It’s my understanding that this essentially amounts to the legal and collateral doxing of hundreds of thousands of people, if it spans all members of these servers.
Stop using Windows. Stop using Discord.
Where will i post the classified documents if not discord?
Why use a password manager if you can send yourself a list with your most used passwords?
War Thunder forums.
Unfortunately you’re only allowed to do that if you’re arguing that your (insert X vehicle here) should definitely have been able to take on (insert Y vehicle here) because of something in said classified documents.
Hey now not all of them leak documents. Some of them travel to warzones to acquire in person measurements.
You could always take notes from ol’ Petey Hogshit and drunk text them to journalists.
You can join my Stoat I’ll add a chat for you near the top of the list.
It’s not encrypted at the moment, though, but if the other members stay dormant I’ll consider it.
Depends on the classification. TS is only approved on Signal group chats.
Stop using Windows. Stop using Discord.
Yep. On it almost a year now, ever since 10 was EOL’d and I learned Discord was building a profile on every user based on usage.
Linux has been awesome and Discord mostly sucked anyway.
I dumped Discord when I heard they were trying to do an IPO, as soon as that happens a company is without fail going to screw all of their customers because if there are shareholders the customer becomes the product.
This is going to happen with every large centralized service, especially if they let you use it for free. These services end up being expensive to run.
The only real solution is to use something decentralized. You’re already on Lemmy so I assume you already know this. Matrix is decent (not perfect, but it’s pretty good) and it’s easily self-hostable using Tuwunel.
Tuwunel should not be recommended to new users.
Keep in mind the claim of being official is not true: this is a claim by one of the former co-maintainers of conduwuit, to claim legitimacy over other projects like continuwuity. Additionally, tuwunel’s maintainer has openly made threats against the maintainers of continuwuity, aswell as being formally banned from the foundation for actively abusing protocol exploits. I’m not sure I’d trust a project primarily maintained by them for these reasons. Additionally, it’s maintainer appears to currently also be pushing for publishing how to exploit the security vulnerabilities from the upcoming security release.
— aur tuwunel-git, corroborated by nex (CoI: continuwuity maintainer; has received death thrrats from tuwunel developers) in #offtopic:continuwuity.org a few upgrades ago
I don’t usually get involved in internet drama so I wasn’t aware of this.
I started with Conduit. I hit some bugs though, and development was very slow. I looked at all the forks. Conduwuit was the most active, and all the issues I had were solved, so I used it. It got archived because of some other internet drama, and the readme said to use Tuwunel instead, which is what I’m using now.
Should I use something else?
I dunno. Use whatever I guess, as long as it’s not Synapse.
If you’re already running a homeserver, I don’t care; switching homeserver software is hell. I run a continuwuity at pool.net.eu.org, which has been doing fine.
Alreeady on Matrix, too, of course. And my main social is Mastodon.
I’ve purged Meta, Microsoft, Google, Sony, all of them. Heck, I’ll even be lookin in to alternative GPUs for the next build, and how well I can run things on RISC-V rather than x64 or ARM.
Not when they announced they’ll require government IDs for age verification?
Already gone by then.
But that was the final straw for Google when I deleted an account that was a legal adult because they demanded my driver’s license for a music video.
What solution did you end up on post Discord? If you had a group of people you communicated on Discord with, did you have luck migrating them out? I’d like to move, but my use is already really minimal and I feel like getting my friend group out is going to be difficult to non-existent in some cases.
Can’t speak for the other person, but I just left. Told my old groups I couldn’t stand Discord. Sometimes you don’t need an alternative idk I just chat with deferent people on different programs now.
My irl friends think I’m a weirdo but I’m at peace, and they know how to reach me.
Matrix is what I moved to. To make transition easier for my core friends I wrote a guide with step by step instructions and pre-made a replica of our discord server. I got probably 70% of them to come over.
The real hit was large communities. For roughly a month I came in daily letting my communities know about what was happening and that I was gonna switch so if people wanted to find me here is where they could find me. I got 3 kinds of replies:
- The nihilistic “I’ll never escape it, everyone already has my information, why fight it”
- (In reference to the ID verification) “I’m not American so I don’t care if people have my ID because my country doesn’t have the problems America has”
- “Moving is too hard and I use one specific feature the other apps don’t have and my friends are here so I’ll move when they move”
Moving to the new platform, giving a grace period to friends, and then moving and cutting contact with the platform had the highest success rate. People that want to talk with you will move, even if it’s just to only talk with you. But the hardest thing is accepting that some people just don’t care about their privacy and want the easy to use features enough that they are willing to lose contact with you.
None. I was never invested in it very heavily. I had one channel that I was a pretty involved member on but the whole “you don’t have to tell them how old you are, they’re going to use an algorithm and your usage patterns to deduce it,” I was just haha no, fuck that, and I quit.
Fair enough. I strictly use it for comms in games I play with friends. I’m not active in any other communities and I’m certainly not paying for nitro. I’d like to migrate but getting everyone to do so probably won’t happen. I could maybe convince my closest game friends, but I have a clan in a game with people I don’t know that we use discord to chat. Definitely not getting all 40+ to move.
That also gives you several other informations:
- If Discord can read the device ID, every other website or program can?
- If Discord can’t and courts are forcing Microsoft to give out that data for Take2 to correlate IP adresses or other data, that is also really bad
So the only solution is to get the fuck away from everything Microsoft.
If Discord can read the device ID, every other website or program can?
mostly agree, but I think it might just be the Discord program that has access, not websites
You are correct. Installed programs can see it, websites can’t.
I mean, Edge is an installed program…
Ok. That’s great.
How does that let websites access the ID?
Edge gets it from Windows and sends it to the websites.
Google was previously caught doing that with Chrome.
Did you read this article? This has nothing at all to do with windows ID.
This is just chrome collecting data on you while in incognito mode. Which is sort of obvious that they would.
We don’t have proof of Microsoft doing that with Edge specifically. But that’s academic because we already know that Microsoft uses GDID to track website visits:
Microsoft’s records showed that at that exact same minute, a Windows device carrying GDID g:6755467234350028 had visited the ngrok signup page.
Whether it does it with Edge or the system HTTP libraries or whatever it really doesn’t matter, what matters is that they do.
