I’ll be frank with you. As long as my customers are captive on either Apple or Google platforms I can’t do shit.
You can put this on a Nothing CMF Phone 1 btw.
You can also buy it preinstalled on a fairphone through Murena’s website. And the bootloader is locked.
I understand installing e/os yourself sometimes gets you stuck with an unlocked bootloader. I have no idea if that’s true for Nothing phones, but thought I’d post up an alternative for those concerned about that.
Dear terrorists, I don’t like your actions, but if you still exist and want to cause destruction and deaths, please, do it by attacking main offices of big corporations. That will be a tragedy for whole world. Thank you!
Terrorists tend to act across borders and so they are interested mostly in global corporations. If only there was one single building that housed all of them at the same time. Some buildings where they all engaged in trade around the world, centralized.
Then that would make your scheme easy.
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So, does it mean that degooglized android phones will suffer as well?
This will take effect for google “certified” phones. If you’re using a custom rom with no gapps (including play services) installed, you will most likely be not affected.
If some of your apps rely on play services, i can heavily recommend microg as replacement for it.
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I have been thinking this for some time, why not just have a certified burner phone or tablet and then a free phone as your main?
Realistically most of us have to install shitty insecure apps to survive in this modern world, but that doesn’t mean all our personal data and stuff has to be on the same device.
For the cost of one brand new top model phone, you could probably get a low-mid certified device and a decent Fairphone or equivcalent.
Sometimes even just one phone is too much.
I only have so many pockets. I prefer to travel light and without a bag if possible
Out of the loop here. How can google lockdown an open-source operating system? I know they are involved in developing it because it benefits them, but does that mean they own it?
They are locking down “certified” phones. You don’t have to have a “certified” phone, but if it is not certified, a lot of sensitive apps (Google wallet, third-party banking apps, for example) won’t work.
So all the major manufacturers are going to push certified phones, which are going to make it difficult to use non-certified apps.
Not completely but they can apply on certified devices
I probably just need to buy a fair phone at this point.
how does that help you
Native support for e/OS/
Had not such a good experience with mine tho. Everything worked but I had a fried camera :(
(Fried as in couldnt See shit not as in actually broken)
Im not convinced that this will make a difference. Just “calling your representatives” response is so low energy.
This is why we should use things like GPL.
The comments keep mentioning Linux phones, have they managed to get Linux running on mobile hardware that I won’t have to go on an archaeological dig for?
There’s this… https://commerce.jolla.com/products/jolla-phone-preorder
Also waiting for this! Would love to get TOH, but doesn’t look too promising currently.
I mean, there are Purism phones. Super expensive, but they keep selling out so I guess they are reasonable.
Fairphone, here I come.
Yeah, I’m not buying any more Pixels. I got the Fairphone 6! It’s good! I’m in the US, so I got it from Clove. Works fine on T-Mobile.
Although, I’m currently running Android… Probably have to install e/OS or something.
I hope Fairphone can continue to grow to eventually meet Graphene’s hardware requirements.
Pixels are the best phones to buy since you can install GrapheneOS…
Unless it’s carrier locked.
I’ve a pixel 7a, and cannot install graphine without calling T-Mobile and convincing them to unlock it for me. Sure, I got OEM permissions, but I’m blocked at the next step.
Yeah… But Google and US Big Tech have too much power and are making the world shitty for everyone. I’d like to contribute my grain of sand to someone else.
You’ve got Framework laptops, who make repairable modular laptops. Seems great in theory but i haven’t got one to test.
Tickle those guys to get into phones too.
Anyways there are very few companies now who actually respect right to privacy, repair, etc. Treat their employees like humans and don’t shit on environment.
I want to get a pixel 10 so I can have grapheneOS on it. Fuck it! I am always in a race against time.
10 does not have a sim card tray, the 9’s do. First post with grapheneos on a new to me 9 I was able to get!
Yes it does.
You could be right. I looked at several of them on eBay and could only find phones with the e-sim, couldn’t find any with sim card tray.
It depends what country you’re in. The US doesn’t and Canada does (not sure about elsewhere).
We need alternatives to big tech. They’re reigning in and locking everything they can down, and the states are loving them for it as it solidifies their ability to control us.
Europe is slowly working on that. Ironically, Trump’s policies were kind of a blessing to Europe, because it forced politicians to finally start working towards strengthening the independence of the region.
They’re kind of already is. It’s the free and open source community.
The problem is phones are actually incredibly impressive pieces of hardware and the fact that we can Mass produce them has diluted that opinion. I’m actually to look into building my own phone and I wanted to have at least some near-flagship specs. I know how to design my own circuit boards and get someone to print them. But acquiring CPUs that perform at least 1/4 as well as Pixels or iPhones is objectively not possible, these companies have deals with manufacturers for exclusive products. And even if you could these chips are so precise you will never be able to figure out the signaling yourself.
Maybe things have gotten better now that we have ai and you don’t need to be any sort of expert in anything you just need to be good enough at decision making problem solving and communicating to acquire the skills and knowledge to work on these chips. And by the time you’ve done all the work and acquired all the hardware you might have spent close to 3 to 5K on a device you could have just bought for $800. All for what, to circumvent privacy breaches that should be illegal in the first place?
And that’s the root problem we’re trying to solve. Another symptom of these companies being able to engage in the bad behavior that they do is that they gain the ability to overvalue themselves. There should be no safety or privacy concern when engaging in the purchase of any device for the same reason that people should not fear food poisoning every time they go to the grocery store.
That’s what the regulators are for. This is a legal issue not a technical one.
But the only underlying cause for why we’re not regulating tech companies is because fear of privacy violations is not reducing market activity. Apparently people are still going to use their phones even if their phones are listening to them having private conversations. Apparently people will still buy shit off of their phones even if their phones are going to use that data to show them ads.
Apparently the harm of your privacy being breached does not hurt enough to prevent you from doing good things.
Now if Android takes away my F-Droid, Tasker and Termux I’m gonna throw a fit. That’s not privacy that’s self-determination, I bought an Android because I can customize it to be as low friction for me as I need, if my phone starts giving me friction then we’re going to have problems.
What we need is a good linux phone that is affordable, has hardware that isn’t slow, and isn’t over sold to an annual pre-order.
Sadly, if the first two are true, the third one becomes an issue.
What we need is a large company to see that is a sign of huge pent-up demand. Apparently, HP and Dell are both talking about switching to Linux as their default OS for desktops. Once all the desktop manufacturers find themselves in the business of selling hardware with Linux on it, either mobile manufacturers will copy, like Samsung, or the desktop folks decide to make their product smaller.
What everyone has wanted from the beginning was a desktop in their pocket. The amount of time that no one has produced that despite major demand, and the amount of development that has gone into building any other stack, just feels like willful suppression at this point.
Is there some government somewhere telling large-scale manufacturers that they can’t build something as free and open as a desktop that isn’t at least the size of a laptop? Because it actually takes less technology to make something that’s open than something that is closed. And there is just as much appeal for the consumer to not restrict them.
What we need is a good linux phone that is affordable, has hardware that isn’t slow, and isn’t over sold to an annual pre-order.
That’s not enough, sadly. That phone must support, at the very least, all the national ID and banking software. And that bit might be tricky.
This always gets brought up, and is the chicken-and-egg problem, but only sort of.
Supporting software designed for different platforms is not the phone’s responsibility. It should be the government and bank developers’ responsibility to build software for platforms their citizens and customers use.
Android and Apple do not jump through hoops to run Windows desktop software, for example, and the notion is kind of absurd to begin with. Yet this argument is used for Linux smartphones all the time.
Some of this also applies to people without phone / with dumbphone.
It’s a kind of “yes, but actually no” situation.
Way back when, smartphones were a relatively new thing. Nobody gave a crap, so building a new OS that had similar capabilities to the competition was easy. We had a bunch of those over the years.
However, every new OS means new architecture, every architecture means developers having to take it into account when building apps.
Eventually, the smartphone market essentially defaulted to Android and iOS - long gone are Windows Phone, Blackberry OS, and a dozen others.
They didn’t die off because they somehow had to - they died off because they couldn’t keep up with feature parity with Android and iOS.
Nowadays, everything is being made for these two OSes. And by “everything” I mean things that are actually crucial to people - banking apps, ID apps, train ticket apps, parking lot apps - things that they either cannot replace with “not in a smartphone” solution, or can, but it would force them to juggle cards and papers.
Any new OS coming in must take that into account. If Linux comes to mobile phones but can’t run national ID apps or banking apps, it will have a market share of maybe 1% - the hardcore fans, and the “technological preppers” who are always anonymous, always off-grid - and that’s that. No users further users will switch, and because no users switch, no developers will take it seriously enough to make their apps work on it.
Windows Phone is a great example of this. At its height it had around 20% of the European market share. And what happened? Snapchat (massive at the time) and Google actively worked to undermine and destroy it, because they knew that - in the long run - it’ll be cheaper than having to hire a third group of developers. With 3rd party alternative apps being constantly blocked, the OS eventually went down to sub 5% in its biggest market, and sub 1% in the US, and Microsoft finally pulled the plug.
An OS coming in without critical app support won’t ever get to even 1% of market share in any region larger than “local Linux fanclub”.
Android apps do solve a lot of UI problems a that are unique to the phone interface. If only Linux could run APKs. Oh wait, it can. Linux can run anything.
Those who have the expertise should start contributing and working more on Linux for mobile. Postmarket has made great progress it just needs more manpower
