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    9 小时前

    Initial price was $135. Then it climbed to $210ish. Now $185.

    Pretty regular stuff for a new IPO meme stock. Don’t go on the ride if you don’t like the speed.

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      There is literally nothing but hope behind the valuation. Same as Tesla. Just dreams and hopes.

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        Tesla has produced a lot of stuff, some of it pretty good. But yeah, its stock price is a bit out there compared to that.

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        That’s not true, it’s betting on American corruption…which is a pretty good bet.

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    It’s the simplest idea in the world, if a company’s outgoings are more than it’s income then how is it going to generate profit for the shareholders? How did no one think of this?

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      The stock market doesn’t work like this anymore and hasn’t for several years… maybe decades. Share price is completely decoupled from fundamentals. The way you make money for shareholders is by getting the stock price to go up and what the actual company does or doesn’t do is not particularly a consideration anymore.

      I go one step further and say that I personally believe the market itself is rigged, has been rigged since just after 2008. It is fully under control by dark pools, algorithms, HFT and AI. We will never again see an appreciable crash in the market, just things which vaguely resemble “normal” market action as the overall line continues to go ever upward.

      The stock market is now fully a money-generating machine for the Epstein class. I have been saying this since about 2014 when I read Flash Boys by Michael Lewis and the Dow was at 18,103, Nasdaq 4,773. Even today with this news, the Dow is up currently 72 at 51,564 and the Nasdaq is up 496 at 26,517.

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        These giant IPOs result in the companies being a larger part of index funds, which results in a huge influx of retirement funds and other ‘low risk’ investment funds that hold the index funds.

        It’s basically fake it until you make it, once you’re a major part of an index your company’s shares are automatically purchased by these massive funds and that stabilizes the stock’s price at some arbitrary point (minus the insider short selling and other market manipulations).

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      The idea is that it will eventually be profitable, and investors will make their money back several times over.

      Obviously, that does not seem to be the case in reality.

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        As long as the stock has value n the market, the Epstein class can borrow against their stocks.

        This is why they’re always clamoring for lower interest rates. It has nothing to do eith helping people with mortgages and everything to do with the Epstein class abusing the carried interest loophole to maintain their work free lifestyle.

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      It’s worse than that… what they IPO with is basically a tiny percentage of SpaceX composed solely of xAI

      The entire stock market is basically 99.9% blind speculation and 0.1% basic math, which is why it rarely makes sense

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        It’s not even a surprise, this is from SpaceX s-1 document: only 7% of their estimated valuation is from Space related activities

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              One of several people standing on a balcony overlooking an Occupy Wall Street protest in 2011. This woman specifically was at the time believed to be an employee of National Bank but I don’t know if they were ever identified individually.

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                It disturbs me that my first thought was “facial recognition exists now”.

                This timeline is cursed

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          there are no rules anymore man… they just change them to rig the game in plain light… no ill consequences for the rich

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        The entire stock market is basically 99.9% blind speculation and 0.1% basic math

        The US, England, and Japan are all returning to quantitative easing policy. So we’ve once again got too much money chasing too few investments. What a lot of naive investors see as a market bubble is recognized among the more savvy as a return to our ongoing policy of asset inflation.

        A lot of what SpaceX is selling boils down to an access point to public spending - through sale of military hardware and equipment, network access to Starlink, and R&D funds allocated to the private sector. That’s what is really driving investment. It is, in effect, a play on the future of police and military spending.

        Still wildly overvalued imho. But not “blind” speculation.

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      The corporate governance arrangements (or lack thereof) should be enough to make any investor with two functioning brain cells stay well clear. But the stock market has lost all touch with reality long ago. The crash will be brutal. And small investors will hold the bag, as per standard procedure.

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    One should note that the stock is still up $50 per share up from its IPO price ($135 vs $185 or about 37%). Also the Cursor option was fully outlined before the IPO so it shouldn’t surprise anyone.

    Not that I don’t think all of this is dumb, it’s just another hype / gambling stock without much substance led by Elon who got his Twitter buyout.

    No crying in the casino

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      The only people that got in below 160 a share are insiders, space x employees and institutional investments. That’s why they did a day 1 rug pull when the stock reached 180. They made sure no matter what was gonna happen, they weren’t going to be the bag holders.

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        I got three shares at $158 just to see if I was fast enough. Sold it at ~200 a bit later because I’m too poor to hold the bag.

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          People give him 170 to 300$ for worthless share. He get to keep this money, now the valuation on the shares he have got up because people hedge fund were fighting for the useless one. Now when the dust settles we will see how Musk will do but in any case he got out with a filthy bunch of money

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        By that logic he’s not a trillionaire at all. They only sold 4% of the company for some 68 billion USD. A trillion dollars was never liquidated.

        Edit: 4.3% and 75 billion are the correct numbers.

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            Yeah sure I also think that he is a trillionare at the moment. I was just trying to show that it’s absurd to say he has the money even if the stock price falls because he’s already liquidated it.

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              Almost all of them. That’s how the Epstein class fund their lifestyles, they borrow against their stocks. This is why the Epstein class always want low interest rates; it is not about mortgages, at least not the kind where someone is homeless because they missed a payment.

              https://taxproject.org/carried-interest/

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      No, SpaceX’s valuation hasn’t really decreased significantly. Musk is still comfortably a trillionaire.

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    They diluted the stock 3.4% in less than a week of trading 🤣. Invest with Musk at your own risk.

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      This is actually Elon Musk’s fault (that felt wrong to say), the company should never have been valued so highly anyway that was stupid. As far as I can tell Musk hasn’t actually done anything.

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    Are they shocked that Elon has no respect for their share holder opinion?