I saw my first Tesla this week with the “I bought this before Elon went nuts” bumper sticker. I don’t give a fuck when you bought that garbage, its a fucking dangerous piece of shit and shouldn’t be on the roads with real cars. Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for EVs taking over the market, just as long as they aren’t teslas.
This is crazy, I was in a parking lot yesterday and saw someone have their Tesla driver right up to them to pick them up in the parking lot with no driver inside. Kind of pissed me off I was so near in the same parking lot that was operating on its own, with my wife and nieces. I know Elon Musk wouldn’t give one fuck about me if his dumbass machine ran me or mine right over
You couldn’t pay me to drive a Tesla, and that’s doubly true for Tesla on “autopilot”.
That’s bad that the car’s software confused a closed garage door for a kid.
I swear most Teslas I hear driving always have a “rattle” when they go over bumps. Sounds like bad build quality, I rarely hear other cars with the issue. For sure seem like poorly made cars.
Did the road runner paint a tunnel on it again?
This is a murder idea right here.
A YouTube already proved that Teslas autopilot would drive straight through a portrait of a road. Since it only uses cameras without other tech like lidar
So would plenty of human drivers.
Sure because humans don’t have radar and lidar. Something Tesla chose not to put on their vehicle.
Human drivers can pull in environmental and other cues though, like “why is there daylight on the road inside a building?”
Why is this person called a driver?
Later he was fined by the HOA because the garage door being open since 20 minutes
The sentence structure that people from different non-english-speaking countries use is really interesting.
After working with so many people from India, I would guess this person was originally from there. “Since 20 minutes” is a fairly common way that they say it.
In French you would say “depuis 20 minutes” which literally translates to “since 20 minutes,” and I imagine many other languages would phrase it the same way.
Are people stupid enough to actually trust Tesla’s autopilot, or do they do it on purpose to then sue Tesla?
Nevermind, I know the answer…
It works well, until it doesn’t. That first part lulls people into complacency. I rented a Kia last year that had automatic cruise control and lane keep assist and it kept me on the road far past when I should have pulled over and taken a nap from being sleep deprived after a redeye flight. Dangerous? Yes. Skill issue? Maybe. What I took away from the experience is that it is frighteningly easy to get used to a thing “just working” and forget about its limitations when it is convenient. I also learned that I do not want lane keep assist or automatic cruise control in my personal car.
I really like the automatic cruise control on my fairly new Honda Jazz. I’ve found that it has a net positive effect on my attention to the road, because I become less fatigued from the small, brief slowdowns that I might encounter on a motorway. There was actually an instance where I narrowly avoided a crash while using this system because of how quickly I acted when a potentially dangerous situation developed into an active crash; I felt like I was more alert than I would’ve otherwise been after a day of driving
However, I do not like the lane-keeping system, especially combined with the automatic cruise control. I remember testing it when I was on a clear but fairly curved section of the motorway, with my hands completely off the wheel (but hovering over the wheel, ready to take control again if necessary). I was horrified by how effectively it took me round the bend — effectively enough to be dangerous. There is a warning beep if you spend too long without your hands on the wheel at all for a while, but this was just something I did while testing it. I’ve not used it since, because I was confident that, unlike the automatic cruise control used on its own, this would diminish my attention and leave me unable to properly respond to an exceptional circumstances.
I own modern Kia with these systems you described. I use this almost constantly BUT: the first month after getting the car I was terrified, literally scared and 15 minutes drive exhausted me just like 2 hours in my previous car. I was learning to trust the system, had to known all the limitations first. I now know when to take over and really like adaptive cruise control especially in traffic.
I am a software engineer though, there is nothing “smart” in my home (apart from TV obviously) and I can see how people can fall into the trap you described.
This is basically automation bias you’re describing and it’s what scares the hell out of me with these “FSD” teslas on the road.
Even if you were able to keep constantly alert during the 99% of the time where this works (which I think is close to humanly impossible) why would you want a system that doesn’t offload you at all? The only value of this system is if people ignore the limitations and allow themselves to zone out - the rest of us are at risk when it goes wrong!
[…] why would you want a system that doesn’t offload you at all? The only value of this system is if people ignore the limitations and allow themselves to zone out […]
I think there are some “absolutes” used here that make these things incorrect.
- “doesn’t offload you at all” means that these systems provide 0 offloading, which is not true — not even for the classic cruise control that only maintains speed.
- “The only value of this system is if people ignore the limitations and allow themselves to zone out” means that there’s no other value it provides. Using the old classic cruise control as an example again, it provides value even without being able to its limitations.
That said, my car is a bit old and just has the classic kind of cruise control. I’ve only used the newer stuff on a few road trips in rental cars, so maybe I just haven’t had enough experience with it to reach the levels of carelessness required to drive into a garage door yet.
I use lane assist and traffic aware cruise to keep my shoulders and (bad) knee physically relaxed on long highway stretches. That said, I would probably choose to tolerate the inevitable day of neck and/or knee pain if it meant no one was using this stuff. Automation bias is scary.
Wyl E. Coyote with the paint.
“autopilot” shouldn’t even be used on a narrow residential street like that.
I thought they stopped calling it autopilot due to legal stuff and such, or has that not gone through yet?
It’s “full self driving (supervised)” last I checked.
Autopilot isnt FSD Supervised.
Autopilot just keeps you in lane and distanced from a lead car, mainly meant for highways/ freeways. A combination of auto steer (for lane) and traffic aware cruise control.
FSD Supervised is meant for anywhere and will take turns, change lanes, stop for lights etc.
They no longer sell or include AP, and its been renamed to something involving autosteer for existing owners. New purchases can only subscribe to FSD Supervised now.
They might be one of the only major OEMs that dont include any kind of lane keeping in their cars now, which is pretty much standard now.
They no longer sell or include AP
That’s true only in the USA and Canada. You can still get autopilot in most of the world, especially in countries where FSD isn’t approved.
Oh youre right, my bad on that. Thanks!
I have an older Teala with AP, and I dont understand how this is possible…
You can’t engage it on your driveway. It’ll say its unavailable. You gotta be moving a bit first on a roadway.
If he was on the roadway and turning into his driveway, AP cant make turns, so thats not possible.
He could have had traffic aware cruise control on, and auto steer off so he could steer it, but then he’s the one who drove it into the garage.
Edit: maybe a cul du sac where he’s at the end and itd drive straight up, but he wouldn’t have been able to turn onto it, which means he would have had to turn it on just for the small street?
Edit: and if they story is it went off the road into the garage on its own with a sudden turn… check that angle out. Its not like it came in on a shallow angle veering off the road, its almost 90 degrees to the garage from a short driveway…
As the article states, they may have meant FSD. Which people very frequently call Autopilot.
The article suggests it wasn’t the driver’s garage. The driver’s story seems to be “It was driving itself happily and then went mad and crashed into this random person’s garage!”.
It’s down to the crash investigators to find out whether that’s the truth, or the driver crashed it themselves and then just blamed the AP.
AP probably disabled itself in the middle of a bend in the road…
Ya i better understood that just a few moments ago. The angle it went into the house seems pretty suspicious still. Thats a pretty sharp turn vs if it tried to dodge an imaginary deer for example.
FSD is not capable of dodging a deer - it just brakes.
If the deer darts in front at the last second it will try to swerve around it, but maybe not too aggressively. Similar to if a car intrudes in your lane. But ya, if its standing in the road in front of you it will just brake.
This is why AI shouldn’t be making any management decisions
that tech at IBM all those years ago had it right the whole time
Oh Yeah!
