they should make another mailing list for ai generated reports that they totally read, and ban anyone who submits slop to the main one. not sure how feasible it is since spammers will just generate new emails, but at least they would have something clear to point out the malicious intent.
We truly are witnessing the death of open source in real time. Thanks AI!
Let’s not being over-drammic here. They just need a better way to filter off AI junk request. They should be the one to do it? No, it suck. Is it fair? Not at all. Still this is what things are now.
Btw. People using Linux should remember that just because " it’s free" doesn’t mean it don’t cost money and resources to keep going. So:
DO YOUR PART AND DONATE TO YOUR DISTRO DEVELOPERS.
https://www.linuxfoundation.org/about/donate
indeed! The open source community should adopt LLM powered mailing list filters. Basically new age version of “protection money” as you pay AI firms to stop other AI firms from drowning your organization.
Joking aside, the dead Internet theory is unfortunately looking pretty accurate.
This ai shit is fucking everything up for everyone.
I’m just imagining a bunch of sweaties telling people they work for Linux as a cybersec expert, burning through $300 of tokens a day.
For which they haven’t yet paid a single penny, because AI corpos need people to get addicted to their products.
Why does everyone always use the old photos of chubby Linus?
He looks so friendly and approachable in that picture
kinda like an anglerfish in that you are lured into a false sense of security which makes the straight to the jugular scathing responses even more effective.
Naaahhh, he’s not like that… I never met him but he can’t be like that; I mean look at him.
Because they have to nerf him somehow, can’t just have worlds sexiest kernel developer getting everyone soaking wet all the time.
He’s getting older. Maybe they just want a younger shot.
Middle of last year:
he’s still got a big heart on the inside
Huh, apparently he lost weight last year.
But that’s probably why, it only happened last year, and he’s not so much a public figure that he gets photographed often.
He needs an AI to fight the other AI
Email systems and mailing lists are antiquated. Dumb behaviours make management of the system even harder.
As someone who has actually contributed to the linux kernel I think the kernel maintainers are doing a great job. Mailing lists work just fine.
Nobody said kernel maintainers aren’t doing a great job
Mailing lists work. Working fine would not be having these articles
I’m saying other hypothetical systems would work better
Well they worked fine until AI flooded the system. Any hypothetical system would still have that much traffic and be very hard to manage processing all that information on a human level.
I agree with you. It makes interacting with Linux kernel development tedious and I think they like it that way.
It falls apart pretty quick when they reach a certain size which is what ai posts increase the chance of.
Still it has the advantages of being decentralized which keeps it off things like GitHub issues which is probably for the better.
You’re putting this like llm spam is somehow a managed problem in github issues, where it’s very much the same overwhelmed system with no good solution.
I’m not saying that at all.
Meh, as good as any other tool for a running private thread.
It’s not though, hence this issue. Moderation, organisation and management tools are lacking because it’s email
There are many such tools for email groups, and for the included audience, whipping up exactly what was needed for the job would be a pretty trivial task.
What do you suggest?
I think it’s time the Linux maintainers put their heads together and come up with a decentralised tool for managing these issues much in the same way git was created for managing the source code of Linux
Git was created because one of those developers actually had a problem. The fact that they haven’t tried to replace the mailing list yet suggests they don’t actually have a problem with it.
Linus always praises email. He does no social media and most of his internet usage is just email is what I gather from his conversations and interviews.
There are a few thousand other developers, any one of them could start working on a replacement if it bothered them enough. Granted, a lot of them will be grey beards who are happy with mailing lists, but still, the overall friction hasn’t pushed them far enough over the edge to replace it.
I guess the articles are about a big nothing
The problem highlighted by this article is the flood of slop. The mailing list is almost irrelevant, because regardless of whatever alternative you use, the flood of slop will still keep overwhelming it.
Emails don’t allow merging threads very easily. The issue is lots of duplicates. Other tools would increase the capability to handle the popularity
