cross-posted from: https://lemmy.zip/post/1338851
Archived version: https://archive.ph/yDjTx
Archived version: https://web.archive.org/web/20230811193345/https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-fire-all-regional-military-recruitment-chiefs-zelenskiy-2023-08-11/
I’m not an American… I goddamn hate this American-centrism so many Americans have online. Get a grip, you’re not the center of the planet.
I’m a leftwing proudly out homosexual, voted for the marxist party in my country in Europe, and voted leftwing my entire life before that. I’ve got friends who were trained by greenpeace to climb nuclear power plants. If you asked a centrist I’d be part of the extreme left (well everyone in Europe would be by America’s standards).
But sure, if you feel better about me being an American centrist in your headcannon, and my problem not being the general toxicity of what I saw in that community, then so be it.
lol what
Yeah, I was actually surprised when one in particular told me. That one had always been quite adventurous to put it mildly so it wasn’t too weird for him. At the time he had been swinging between vigilant action, and considering moving to live his hermit life on a specific mountain in the area he lived at the time (he didn’t in the end). Fairly interesting person.
Great person though, and even though he was clearly on the militant leftwing side (I’m not), when we disagreed it was always purely full of respect between us. Some of the best talks we had in random tiny bars in central and eastern Europe (depending on where he was living at the time).
I’m frightened to ask about what their positions are on any policy at all. Let me guess: do what amerikkka says or your are helping putler. That kind of “marxist”?
Yeah, they are indeed crypto fascists, you are so right. Man you are the smartest person ever right? If only I could enjoy a second of your wise divination powers. Why ask, you already kkknow the answer!
And ofc you bring up Putin, should’ve expected it. A bit sad though simping for potentially the richest guy on the planet, who has been running a private army that’s busy doing modern day imperialism in Africa. Such improvements! It’s way better the mines are exploited by Russians instead of French!
Yeah no my ideals don’t make me choose between two evils, I reject them both, but hey if you want to support Russian authoritarianism that’s your choice, it’s just not equality or leftism.
“I reject them both” = i luv amerikkka
It’s really amazing. “I reject them both, but very curiously I only criticize one. Why could that be?“🤔
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Your assumption that Ukraine is an independent country is already an implicit endorsement of American imperialism and slavery. Ukraine has not been independent since the Maidan Coup in 2014. There are recordings of Victoria Nuland confirming this; to deny it means that you are living in a fantasy realm, one paid for with the blood of slaves in the global south. And when you recognize that American imperialism and settler colonialism is a boot on the neck of the global south, you likewise understand that anyone fighting it deserves our critical support, even if they are not angels. Besides, even if everything liberals say about Russia is true, the Iraq War alone is and was a far greater crime than anything [the liberal Harry Potter-esque fantasy of] Putin could dream of. And besides, wasn’t the modern nation state of Russia created by American liberals in the first place? How much money did Clinton give Yeltsin in the 1990s?
My Ukrainian friends disagree and I’ll have to defer to their judgement seeing they live there.
Your idea of “independent” is also a country subjugated to Russia. What an improvement! Not withstanding that Putin’s own war declaration speech denied the existence of a Ukrainian cultural identity, calling them all Russians. You are literally supporting someone who consider an entire culture as lesser not worthy of existence. Wow, such great ideals you hold!
Right, so you do support Russia. I’ll never support anyone supporting Russia, while people in my queer community have been dying and persecuted for years there.
You delude yourself into thinking Russia is “fighting your fight”, all I see in your argument is one boot replacing the other. If only you could live under the yoke of Russia to see what kind of nightmare you’d be living under.
You delude yourself “one greater evil justifies another unrelated evil”, that’s a really messed up moral compass. Do you also support Israel’s actions then because what happened to them in ww2? What evils are allowed to happen, and which ones aren’t in your strange moral compass.
Which Ukrainian friends? The ones with swastikas tattooed to their foreheads?
This is projection and genocide denial, but scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds. Why did the Maidan coup government ban the Russian language in Ukraine and wage a campaign of extermination in the east claiming thousands of lives? Why did this government construct a statue to Nazi collaborator Stepan Bandera in Lviv? Why are all socialist parties outlawed in Ukraine? Why does the Ukrainian constitution make reference to preserving the genetic purity of Ukrainian blood? Isn’t all of this strongly suggestive of the possibility that Ukraine is, in fact, run by Nazis, as almost everyone outside of the imperial core (and nearly half of Ukrainians themselves) believes?
It’s extremely clear to me as a Jewish person that anyone fighting Nazis is a potential friend. But maybe for someone whose grandparents were probably Nazis themselves, it’s not so clear. I’m afraid of asking you your opinion about the Roma people or immigrants fleeing capitalist devastation in Africa or the Middle East—I’m guessing your ideas and actions happen to just coincidentally line up with those of Nazis in these cases as well?
Israel should not exist. I always support the world’s workers—while you support the tiny minority of people who enslave them and drink their blood.
Yeah sure, I’m a gay man with Nazis as friends. You are delusional
You project your hate onto me, you have already made up that I must hate Roma, if only you knew me and what I do. Not that it matters, you would find something else to hate me for that you make up.
You’re like a shit cop making stuff up just to justify your hate. I hope you are as you are to everyone around you and they treat you exactly the same back.