cross-posted from: https://lemmy.zip/post/1338851
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Archived version: https://web.archive.org/web/20230811193345/https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-fire-all-regional-military-recruitment-chiefs-zelenskiy-2023-08-11/
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Your assumption that Ukraine is an independent country is already an implicit endorsement of American imperialism and slavery. Ukraine has not been independent since the Maidan Coup in 2014. There are recordings of Victoria Nuland confirming this; to deny it means that you are living in a fantasy realm, one paid for with the blood of slaves in the global south. And when you recognize that American imperialism and settler colonialism is a boot on the neck of the global south, you likewise understand that anyone fighting it deserves our critical support, even if they are not angels. Besides, even if everything liberals say about Russia is true, the Iraq War alone is and was a far greater crime than anything [the liberal Harry Potter-esque fantasy of] Putin could dream of. And besides, wasn’t the modern nation state of Russia created by American liberals in the first place? How much money did Clinton give Yeltsin in the 1990s?
My Ukrainian friends disagree and I’ll have to defer to their judgement seeing they live there.
Your idea of “independent” is also a country subjugated to Russia. What an improvement! Not withstanding that Putin’s own war declaration speech denied the existence of a Ukrainian cultural identity, calling them all Russians. You are literally supporting someone who consider an entire culture as lesser not worthy of existence. Wow, such great ideals you hold!
Right, so you do support Russia. I’ll never support anyone supporting Russia, while people in my queer community have been dying and persecuted for years there.
You delude yourself into thinking Russia is “fighting your fight”, all I see in your argument is one boot replacing the other. If only you could live under the yoke of Russia to see what kind of nightmare you’d be living under.
You delude yourself “one greater evil justifies another unrelated evil”, that’s a really messed up moral compass. Do you also support Israel’s actions then because what happened to them in ww2? What evils are allowed to happen, and which ones aren’t in your strange moral compass.
Which Ukrainian friends? The ones with swastikas tattooed to their foreheads?
This is projection and genocide denial, but scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds. Why did the Maidan coup government ban the Russian language in Ukraine and wage a campaign of extermination in the east claiming thousands of lives? Why did this government construct a statue to Nazi collaborator Stepan Bandera in Lviv? Why are all socialist parties outlawed in Ukraine? Why does the Ukrainian constitution make reference to preserving the genetic purity of Ukrainian blood? Isn’t all of this strongly suggestive of the possibility that Ukraine is, in fact, run by Nazis, as almost everyone outside of the imperial core (and nearly half of Ukrainians themselves) believes?
It’s extremely clear to me as a Jewish person that anyone fighting Nazis is a potential friend. But maybe for someone whose grandparents were probably Nazis themselves, it’s not so clear. I’m afraid of asking you your opinion about the Roma people or immigrants fleeing capitalist devastation in Africa or the Middle East—I’m guessing your ideas and actions happen to just coincidentally line up with those of Nazis in these cases as well?
Israel should not exist. I always support the world’s workers—while you support the tiny minority of people who enslave them and drink their blood.
Yeah sure, I’m a gay man with Nazis as friends. You are delusional
You project your hate onto me, you have already made up that I must hate Roma, if only you knew me and what I do. Not that it matters, you would find something else to hate me for that you make up.
You’re like a shit cop making stuff up just to justify your hate. I hope you are as you are to everyone around you and they treat you exactly the same back.
How are gay people treated in Ukraine? What’s their situation like in the USA these days under the adamantine aegis of the demokkkrats?
Refreshing, more deflection. You called me a Roma hater and a fascist sympathiser. Your questions are useless, so are your opinions, there’s no point in having a discussion with you, you’re only here to spew more hate.
You would only further respond with useless and baseless accusations. It’s sad the only way you can argue is by calling other people things.
Oh my god dude. I asked your opinion about these issues, and guessed about your beliefs. You still haven’t answered my numerous questions because you have no answers—this is why you are so angry and so defensive—you are still trapped inside the invisible prison of liberal ideology. You (almost certainly) believe that Russia should be exterminated—sorry, I mean, their government should be overthrown and replaced with amerikkka-backed definitely-not-Nazis, who will certainly have the best interests of the Russian people at heart. This probably means you feel the same way about various underclasses around the world, including homeless gay people, including homeless trans people, including all the LGBTQ+ people exterminated in amerikkka’s recent imperialist wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Yemen, etc. Oh wait, I forgot, you said you were against america’s actions abroad—although you trust america in Ukraine and you trust the american media that lied about Iraq. If I’m mistaken, please enlighten me!
More baseless accusations, I’ll laugh about it next week when I go party with my Russian friends. They’ll be extremely joyed to hear I have secretly hated them the past decade.
Dude you told me I’m a Roma hater, what a fucking guess, I literally donate to them, I interact with them especially whenever I travel through Central & Eastern Europe. My boyfriend’s grandma even housed them, ffs. Get the fuck out of here with your small-minded hatred hidden behind “I’m just guessing”.
You aren’t going to try to weasel your way and act “oh I’m just trying to understand you”, you haven’t done that in this entire comment thread, you’re delusional if you think that act would work now.
Fuck that noise I told you my stance in my first response to you and you went “hur hur Marxist party must be kkk”, go be a better person first, it’s not my job to make you one.