I’m a game dev, so my perspective on this can be biased, but my honest opinion is if games are too expensive for you to buy, go pirate them. That’s exactly the situation places like Argentina are in now. Let us westerners subsidize the cost of development until your country gets back on track and you are able to buy more than just staple goods (40% of Argentina is considered living in poverty or worse).

This goes for people in poverty anywhere in the world tbh even in the West. Piracy doesn’t really move the needle much (but do try to support indie devs if you can)

Pretty standard really. You don’t want contributions to the codebase come under questionable copyright concerns, or the original creator to revoke the code 4 years later causing huge headaches potentially.

You typically have to sign these types of CLA’s whenever you need to contribute to any serious project. I’ve had to do it for Google and Microsoft recently, and I’ve done it for various other open source projects as well.

Still that shouldn’t concern users/gamedevs as they don’t contribute to the engine code typically. Only if they want to upstream changes back into the engine publicly they would need to sign it ofcourse

Please re-read my opening sentence before responding. I’m clearly talking about the ‘your shithole’ part. I don’t care if someone insults fascists. But it’s racist to call a place “shithole”, especially if the poster is from a ‘first world country’.

I try not to assume too much about the person on the other end, depending on the age he might just be an edgy teenager lashing out (yeah I know that’s ironic with my previous statement). I know my upbringing glossed over certain “troubling” parts of my country’s history, and that left me with certain messed up beliefs as well that I had to move past (and I luckily did)

In the end I hope they’re someone who is just being edgy and ill-informed and my response at least plants a seed of doubt that is enough to prosper into acquiring the knowledge to move past their current beliefs

But you might be right, I might just be a tad overtly optimistic here. But for me Nazis are an existential threat, so I’d rather convert them early than deal with the repercussions if they ever get political power over people like myself again.

I never said the original poster made a general statement about the people, just the country being called a shithole, you came in and added the “can’t call neo-nazi’s trash anymore”, a ridiculous statement I never made. In the context of my response being about how he refers to the country of Ukraine, how can your sarcastic complaint about me not be seen as referring to the the people? That’s why I said not every Ukrainian is a Nazi.

My comment was pretty particular about the “your shithole” part. I don’t care what negative thing he calls Banderites, and you’ll see from my previous comments elsewhere in this thread I have no love for those who adore him.

Also I find it ridiculous you all are very happy to point to problematic groups in one country, yet systematically ignore it in another. Double standards like this is why I have difficulties not seeing the bias at play in these discussions.

America is a shithole, too, if you were wondering.

I agree it has its problems, but I’m not an American so it’s easier to not get deluded by what they call “the American dream”. Helps that even in my English classes growing up we dealt with topics such as the rampant poverty issues Americans face, and how many children live in poverty in the US. Though context matters; America is currently not being invaded. If it was a minor country on the world stage I would also not call it a “shithole”. Same reason I can detect issues in certain African countries without ever calling them by that name, like one of their presidents did.

If you are from America, calling a country that’s been suffering your world hegemony for so long a ‘shithole’, I can only say you are part of the reason that’s the situation, and so you have no rights to call any country a shithole.

“You can’t call our neo-Nazis trash and our state that celebrates Nazi collaborators a shithole! That’s, uh, uh, that’s racist!”

Not every Ukrainian is a Nazi. But sure, let your hate cloud your sense of decency, if that makes you feel better. I’m sure the mothers I’ve spoken to will be happy their children died because they were Nazis, besides I’m sure their elderly people just had it coming… /s

Unlike you I don’t see them as “acceptable collateral”.

Yeah anyone supporting Banderas really needs to pick up a book that goes through what he did in his life. Whatever good someone might think he did, has been destroyed by his abhorrent actions. I don’t applaud Hitler either for his progressive (at the time) animal rights… He’s a shit person, and deserved worse.

Lol, no. Also what the fuck is this “shit people olympics” ranking you got going on?

Damn, I thought your rules preclude you from making such a racist remark against a nationality. You can go join Trump with calling places “shitholes”.

I find this weird support for Russia fascinating. They are clearly not free from nationalists and extremists sentiments themselves. Their own state media is calling for pre-emptive nuking of cities, Ireland being an acceptable collateral when nuking the UK, and their own former prime minister Medveded is yelling on twitter about achieving “Greater Russia”. Here’s someone who was awarded “Hero of the Russian Federation” by Putin himself.. It’s almost as if Russia doesn’t actually care, and they are just using it for their propaganda.

Also lol, they’re saying they’re not going to execute them because they aren’t barbarians and giving them time to retreat, and then you take offense to that? That’s such an odd stance. I personally applaud when someone says they want to avoid unnecesairy deaths, but you do you.

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Our “weaponized anger” is quiet frequently used in defense of minority groups, particularly trans people.

And they definitely deserve all the protection they need. I am fortunate to have some trans friends myself as well, they are definitely the most oppressed group and even frequently the ignored member of the lgbtqia+ by its own members. By comparison I’m definitely the weakest member as a gay man, I have “passed” to varying degrees for a large amount of my life and so have been fortune to dodge some of the atrocities they are subjected to.

If there’s one group that deserves the militant protection in today’s environment it is them. That I can definitely appreciate your community does!

Alrighty, before you make assumptions as you tend to do, I’ll say Banderas is a despicable person. But let’s talk about monuments to him.

You know the stele to Banderas in Lviv was constructed in 2007 right? If you are talking about another one, go ahead and link it. 2007 is long before this “western coup” happened (and it started construction in like 2004?). Why did Yanukovych allow this? Why did Putin protect Yanukovych afterwards, he decreed Banderas a “hero”. Sounds like harboring a Nazi to me.

But even then, let’s say what you say is right, does that mean all Ukrainians are Nazis because one government build a monument? Does that mean the average person deserves to be bombed by Russia? Does it make right the broken families I’ve had the displeasure of interacting with who have lost their children to missiles fired by Russia?

Is this your justification to call Ukrainians you don’t know “Nazi by default”? Damn, I guess all Americans must be filthy colonizers, genociders and racists, because I’m fairly sure some monuments have gone up in recent years endorsing people who were busy genociding the Native population. Does this mean you are a racist by default as well as you are American?? Damn…

I’ll make clear that argument is made with large sarcasm undertones, it’s a ridiculous notion but it’s one you’re currently employing when referring to my Ukrainian friends as “swastika forehead tattoos”. That’s why I keep telling you, you are justifying hate of an entire nation of people because you want to hate them. So far I’ve refrained from even talking about Russia’s warts (aside from the obvious lgbtqia+ one).

But here you can see a list of monuments to him. Fairly strange that after the “Western coup” barely any were constructed anymore, 3 if my count is correct. I’d urge you not to count the ones under Yanukovych, the one removed by the “western coup”. It’s a depressingly larger number. You’d imagine they’d double down on the nazi element after Yanukovych. Or maybe your media isn’t as free from propaganda as you had thought either. Maybe you’re consuming another authoritarian/imperialist’s propaganda on the matter.

But don’t let facts get in the way of your hate.

Talking about Nazis in this war, you know Wagner was made by a Nazi? Yeah that one Putin loved so much till recent history. Dmitry Utkin, stellar guy, has SS tattoo’s and a photo with Putin, he got awarded “hero of the russian federation” lol! Guess he doesn’t care about Russian Nazis all that much, weird. I know it’s not as dramatic as forehead swastika’s, but it’s pretty damn close tbh. This is the same private military company taking over mines in Africa, and being sent to assassinate a Jewish person by Russia.

That’s all ignoring that Russian itself has a very long troubled history with Neo-Nazism. They fund the actual Nazi’s in my country lol. That’s a really strange way of denazifying places, by magnifying their voice in politics! If this is the “critical support” you are willing to offer them, I have some bad news, you are critically supporting a country supporting Nazis in Europe.

Thank you for your response.

I hope you can see that my comrade’s defensive stance is because of past experiances and not anything personal.

I wish my friends would try to remember the human more too, but I get why they can forget because of their experiences. I hope that makes sense.

It makes sense, but tbh victimizing random strangers isn’t a solution (I don’t feel like a victim, just putting it into words of how dangerous I think this can be). And I do hope you understand where I’m coming from, with the understanding this might be my very skewed view, it’s this that made me consider your community dangerous, especially for minority groups. It feels like weaponized anger, where dissenting thoughts are attacked intensively (as I’ve experienced here, and I for the most part agree with hexbear’s ideological/social stance even). I think that’s fine for your community, but it’s this why I had negative flashbacks to my early days when I stumbled upon places like 4chan. Trolling, flamming, “jokes”, until it wasn’t jokes anymore, then the real problematic elements took over. I truly do hope that what I’ve encountered is a skewed image that isn’t true.

It’s also very difficult to detach action from intent, I sadly can’t read people’s intent when they hurl insults my way, I can only see actions, what they write down. I don’t see past trauma and experiences, only their words they direct at me. Having dealt with people with deep seated trauma in my close friendgroup and beyond, I know those things take time and understanding to get through, and the anger you receive isn’t always intended, but unleashing anger at random internet forum members isn’t a great outlet (well it’s a great outlet for the person with the trauma, but not the receiving people, nobody deserves to be the punching bag to someone else’s trauma).

It’s also a hard ask for me to assume only the best intentions, when I keep being called the worst. But I do enjoy you have talked to me as a person, even when my OP was an unkind opener for this dialogue, I really appreciate it.

I had moved to the fediverse in the hopes of finding the earlier days of internet forums again, smaller communities with a good baseline of respect, where long form debate was more common, including differing opinions (to within reasons ofc, nobody likes a Nazi, and they were hated in the early days luckily), but I’ve not enjoyed that here. I’ve instead experienced hate worse than I have experienced on reddit, when trump was still the big problem, and the best quality responses you’d get from his fanatics is “cope harder” and some pepe images. A time where any debate was just sad responses of “oh you malding” etc… Where the perception of “winning” meant insulting the other person harder, lying about them and continuously moving to other topics.

Perhaps I’ll keep to social events in person, speakeasies etc… It seems social media has just soured permanently. Luckily I’m still part of several inclusive programming communities, that has been enough for now for me, and perhaps it’s better that way.

Thank you very much for your response, I wish you the bests.

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I’m not German. Such transparency I just radiate lol. I can narrow it down, I know a couple of western european languages (not German though), one northern one, and 2 central/eastern ones. So that at least excludes southern Europe, or does it? I’m sure my transparency will help you. With your geopolitical knowledge you could figure it out.

You are the epitome of “I’m American, I’m always right”. So ignorant, so predictable.

I throw some money their way sometimes, my many numerous friends

More than your shitposting online clearly.

You called my Ukrainian friends head tattooed swastika nazis, you don’t know them, or their history, only a racist would say such a thing about people they don’t know. You give plenty words in favour of the proletariat but online you immediately refer to Ukrainians as Nazis, you need help. I can be happy in my knowledge I haven’t said a bad thing about Russian people at all in this comment thread (and I know why, because I don’t hate them). You however have a problem. A false sense of superiority problem. You don’t see people, you see things you can hate.

You (almost certainly) believe that Russia should be exterminated

More baseless accusations, I’ll laugh about it next week when I go party with my Russian friends. They’ll be extremely joyed to hear I have secretly hated them the past decade.

and guessed about your beliefs

Dude you told me I’m a Roma hater, what a fucking guess, I literally donate to them, I interact with them especially whenever I travel through Central & Eastern Europe. My boyfriend’s grandma even housed them, ffs. Get the fuck out of here with your small-minded hatred hidden behind “I’m just guessing”.

You aren’t going to try to weasel your way and act “oh I’m just trying to understand you”, you haven’t done that in this entire comment thread, you’re delusional if you think that act would work now.

If I’m mistaken, please enlighten me!

Fuck that noise I told you my stance in my first response to you and you went “hur hur Marxist party must be kkk”, go be a better person first, it’s not my job to make you one.

Refreshing, more deflection. You called me a Roma hater and a fascist sympathiser. Your questions are useless, so are your opinions, there’s no point in having a discussion with you, you’re only here to spew more hate.

You would only further respond with useless and baseless accusations. It’s sad the only way you can argue is by calling other people things.

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If that’s really true, you may well be the most sheltered person on earth.

Let me elaborate, the sheer hostility I’ve been shown, making assumptions that I must be fascist, Roma hater, etc to justify your hate towards me without proof is one that doesn’t belong in safe spaces. Tunnel visioning your hate so hard that when you focus it on someone who would not be prepared for that you could do real irreparable damage. Those words are luckily meaningless to me, but I have had friends who, at their lowest, would not be safe with someone that writes like some people in your community do.

And I say this because I know the things I’ve been called would make my friends laugh with incredulity. The fact someone in your community thinks I’m those things, and are so self convinced is what makes your community dangerous.

No person of the lgbtqia+ is sheltered by sheer upbringing. Hopefully the young generation can be, but mine, and where I grew up wasn’t afforded that luxury.

What do you think critical support means?

English isn’t my first language but elaborate how “Russia needs our critical support” isn’t a support of Russia.

https://hexbear.net/comment/3717499

This one is very much pro Russia, as he himself said in the comments.

As he refers to it as needing our “critical support”

I’ve never had as heated of a discussion online as I’ve enjoyed with your community. This isn’t a good thing. It feels as if members of your community thrive on the negative emotions rather than productive debate. The few normal responses I’ve gotten from people like yourself are too far in between.

I do appreciate your normal response. I know your community is an inclusive space, but personally as a member myself of the lgbtqia+ community it’s not a space I would consider welcoming for the aforementioned reason.

I’ve been called a Roma hater, ironic as I even donate to them, that I must have swastika tattooed Ukrainians as friends, and that obviously I must be a fascist.

It’s unironically the unsafest safe space I’ve ever encountered. I hope the sample I received is not indicative, but at this point I don’t think it matters anymore.