So cybercrime is apparently not cybercrime when a major hyperscale AI does it.
I agree. A prerequisite for serving in Congress should be not still having a VCR with “12:00” flashing on the clock.
The only thing keeping me sane is the knowledge that for the last several decades, Congress only voted for whatever they were bribed to vote for anyways. They’ve never voted one way or the other because they “understood” the subject matter.
They acted corruptly before, they’re acting corruptly now. Nothing has changed.
Take Tommy tuberville, does anyone who is even slightly intelligent believe he could understand “AI” well enough to actually regulate it?
Petey Potatotown is unfit to regulate a teeball game.
Why are we even bothering with the “middleman”?
As it is now, voters are paying these parasites many millions a year (remember in addition to their salaries they have the best healthcare and perks on Earth, I’d be stunned if they ever pay for a meal or any other expense) to pass legislation.
… and corporations are providing congress with barrels full of cash to pass legislation (that was written by the corporations)
Just make Amazon, Tesla, JP Morgan, Vanguard et al our “representatives”, and everybody saves an enormous fortune.
We’re paying for a puppet show that provides nothing to anybody.
most of what I know about congress is that half-dead turtle they roll out with a wheelchair once in a while so we know he’s maybe alive
“barely capable of email” seems like an understatement
They’ll do what they always do: Let industry write the regulations.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Upright_Music,_Ltd._v._Warner_Bros._Records_Inc.
Rap artists have to clear every last sample or they don’t own the copyright to their work- but when tech oligarchs pirate every ebook ever made and use it to build plagiarism engines, it is not just legal, they will get a bailout if their slop doesn’t turn a profit.
It’s not just the US congress.
I always like to cite a relative, who’s turning 90 soon, who had to learn computers & internet in the 90s to stay afloat in his business. And he did, and did it well. Why does the same not apply to politicians all over the world? It’s beyond me.
Of course younger people will have it easier there, but this is not purely a question of age. I suspect it’s a question of wealth and hubris, like: I can’t be arsed to learn technology, one of my employees will take care of it. Oh and print out these emails, will you, doll.
It takes effort and humility, how many older folks do you know that have those? Except your example?
Age divisions are a wedge issue like any other wedge issue, designed to distract from the wealth inequality fiercely fought for by the oligarchs.
Like several other wedge issues, there are a few valid points there. But it’s mostly to distract. And there’s plenty of counter-points - like statistics that show young people are turning nazi at rates that mean the problem of “Boomers” is not going to die out.
How many people in Congress are older than email?
A slim majority, about 300 out of 535, figuring the date of creation of email at 1971.
For additional context, you know that infamous clip of Katie Couric being utterly baffled about how an email address works before asking her producer “Could you explain what ‘internet’ is?” That aired on January 24, 1994. Which, I can understand, the world wide web was switched on in August of 1991, not 3 years prior, so there wasn’t a lot of demand for internet connectivity among the masses yet. It was about the time for TV personalities to learn about email live on air.
That was 32 years ago, when email was already 23 years old.
Born before 1971? That’s barely the required entry age (I jest).
Seriously though, it’s possible to learn “computer stuff” even after you’re born (I jest again).
Which for some reason many politicians - often somewhat older - refuse to do. “We have people for that, and anyhow, PR and polls are more important”.
My father in law died almost 10 years ago at 94.
He was still going to thrift shops to get old PCs to rebuild until around 90 when his vision started giving out. He was a tax accountant who just happened to be into technology, and it was tangentially related at best to his career of almost 70 years.
Flip side is my 30+ years of doing IT, frequently dealing with people younger than me who lamented they were too old to learn the BASICS of how the device that essentially kept them fed worked. This is not in reference to people just doing their proverbial 9 to 5 or implying they should work harder than their wages… it was almost entire engineers and commercial real estate brokers. People with either some education or way further up the socioeconomic ladder than I was. It was a choice to stay ignorant. Sometimes even a perverse badge of honor.
So even though congress is OVERWHELMINGLY elderly, any of them could have cared to learn even the basics in the last 34 years of commercially available internet. Or even before depending on career.
Then again, we have jeenyuses like Tommy Tuberville, so any argument of learning for the sheer sake of knowledge goes out the window.
That’s a great story.
I learned early on that it’s me who has power over the machine, not the other way round.
It was a choice to stay ignorant. Sometimes even a perverse badge of honor.
Yep. Like they’d somehow get their fingers dirty if they bothered to learn how that machine worked.
One of the brokers at my last job (l ‘retired’ in 2016) had an assistant who did just about every aspect of his work except the schmoozing. This pathetic excuse for a functioning human couldn’t figure out why he “couldn’t login to his email” multiple times while I worked there. Every 90 days even. Something along the lines of “I don’t understand, my password worked yesterday”.
This stupid motherfucker was getting locked out of his Active Directory account and couldn’t unlock his PC. After a solid 15 days of warnings that he would need to change his password. For years this kept happening. I believe he was raking in high 7 figures MINIMUM and all he was good for was convicting other people to spend money on corporate real estate.
and the password needs to be his kids names because that’s the password they use for things
With a constantly iterating digit at the start. Fun times.
I’m guessing the answer is “yes”.
there are silent generation in congress, that are older than boomers, so most of them.
They’ll just take the position of whoever pays them more
Path of least resistance ⚡
There’s a special chair for that.
When you treat is as a tool, like guns, then it’s simple: AI does not do unlawful things, people do. So anyone handling this tool is responsible for ‘it’s’ actions.
Treat AI as if it’s an intelligent pet, and any damages it does also transfers to the one responsible for it - almost the same difference. When a certain line of AI’s keep doing unlawful things then, because it’s categorized as ‘pet’, treat them as an unreliable breed.
Treat AI as an stand-alone individual, then ask why on Earth a company let’s an untrained idiot have access to all kinds of sensitive PII data and continuously allow it to hack websites.
Lol, I like to dream too.
We can’t even get laws stating that these fucking
machanical turk“AI” cab companies are responsible for the shit their driverless cars do, and those have immediate real world impacts.If you ask me then each and every single “driverless” car should have its own driver’s exam. And should be renewed after every lobotomy or “upgrade”.
I have a better question: at least some of those “driverless” cars are at least some of the time remote controlled by people in Southeast Asia or Pacifica. Do they have valid US driving licenses?
Even if it was a standalone indivual (which is NOT) we can all agree that it cannot act alone just like a kid and who’s at fault when kids do bad things? The parents which in this case would be the users
But it’s in many cases not ‘your’ kid. You have invited someone else’s kid (with unknown upbringing) to let it play with yours (or alone at your place, but that’s an awkward example). You can instruct it to play around, but who’s at fault when this invitee starts to make a mess all by itself.
Anyway, in the case of hacking, as we can read in the news, it is the kid doing it’s ‘explorations’ unsupervised from its parents house.
but who’s at fault when this invitee starts to make a mess all by itself.
Idk where you live, but here where i live, it’s the fault of who’s job was to watch over the kid in that moment, the only exception could be if the kid’s mother told him to bring a weapon and to kill people
What’s the point of this article? To highlight that the sausage maker that is a parliamentary democracy is slow? Or to show how narrow majority margins cause long delays in passing legislation? I can’t imagine it’s only the lack of knowledge about so-called AI. I imagine many members don’t know that much about tax law, the intricacies of the military, or drugs in general. Yet we don’t question their qualifications when they pass legislation on those subjects. We elect people to these bodies not on the basis that they are experts at everything but for their ability to look into issues and form an opinion that hopefully most resembles ours. They cannot know everything, no matter how much they pretend. If that is the standard we hold them to, you’ll only get braggadocios assholes who will stand for elections.
When has a legislature ever been on top of the latest developments, especially in tech? It’s pretty much always reactive. The seatbelt and crumple zone came after the introduction of the automobile. OSHA didn’t predate the industrial revolution. Section 230 came after the WWW. Not by much in the grand scheme of things but still. We are what now? 4-5 years into this madness? It’s not unusual not to have great regulations set in stone.
I imagine many members don’t know that much about tax law, the intricacies of the military, or drugs in general. Yet we don’t question their qualifications when they pass legislation on those subjects.
Speak for your fucking self. I don’t trust our legislature on any of those. These fuckers have been allowing wars that aren’t wars, drug laws that target minorities and political undesirables, and have fucked our tax code over the last 50 years to the point where we’re currently in another guilded age.
They cannot know everything, no matter how much they pretend. If that is the standard we hold them to, you’ll only get braggadocios assholes who will stand for elections.
Honestly, I’d love to see them pretend again, instead of the ignorant braggadocios assholes we have dominating elections now who don’t even try to pretend and make everything a culture war.
Agreed, and elected representatives don’t even need to have a particularly deep understanding in a particular area to make laws that are fair. They don’t have to understand all the math behind gradient descent or transformers to keep big corporations from abusing the tech, just like they don’t need to understand the intricacies of car engines to make traffic safety laws. They do need to consult experts and preferably have data to back up the laws.
Where the hell are you in arguments on lemmy about why nothing gets done in Congress? lol. I have to make some of these arguments that you have made quite cogently, and it can be annoying not to have backup. lol
Its never been worse. The US has been checkmated by:
- crony capitalism
- gerontocracy
- 2 party duopoly
- captured opposition (Congress)
- captured Supreme Court (SCOTUS)
- captured president/executive
- captured Senate
The US has been checkmated …
I’m going to take issue with this statement. Nobody has checkmated the US. If we have to stay in this metaphor, the US checkmated itself.
One of the biggest mistakes was to allot the same number of votes to Rhode Island as to California in the senate. A more proportionate voting system would do wonders for half the issues you listed. Appointing judges for life is another one. Financing election campaigns like that is also mad. Nobody forced Americans to do business like that.
This isn’t a game of chess where checkmate is irreversible. The sooner folks stop formulating arguments why I’m wrong or why these are insurmountable hurdles, the better for all of us.
While I do agree that with the cult clown car people in charge of the executive right now, there is an added difficulty to passing legislation. The Epstein Act part 1 has shown though there are ways. So regulation on so-called AI is still possible and not late like the article seems to suggest.
The problem is a lot of this is checkmate. How do you reverse any of these massive changes your advocating? Pretty sure its going to require some majority or plurality of parties
somemany of whom may be similar to RI in their interest in not having their voice degraded?How do you do that non-violently or in some less than multilateral way
You’re formulating arguments why I’m wrong. With the greatest of respect, that’s defeatism speaking. Difficult? Yes. Checkmate? No. It may take a crisis to get this going; the New Deal didn’t come from nowhere either.
You cannot fix all of these issues at once. You probably cannot fix a lot of these issues without first improving education levels within the population. A journey of 1000 miles begins with the first step.
Term limits for SC judges to some odd number of years for any new appointees is something both sides will be able to agree on. If nobody tries though, of course it won’t happen.
1 party, but its a coalition of 2 parties.
Only in the sense that a supermajority of our Congress is beholden to the oligarchs on economic issues, sure, but there is even a minority but growing wing of progressives who need our support.
Meanwhile, on social issues - things like human rights - there is rather more difference between the two parties. Anyone can look at what the support, and while establishment Democrats tend not to be extremely forceful about protecting human rights as much as progressives would like, they are worlds apart from the fascists who are trying to instill Christian nationalism.
Uniparty
