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NightOwl@lemmy.ca to World News@lemmy.ml · 4 days ago

Zelensky Warns ‘Safe Days’ Are Over for Civilian Aircraft in Russian Airspace as He Vows To Escalate Drone Attacks

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Zelensky Warns ‘Safe Days’ Are Over for Civilian Aircraft in Russian Airspace as He Vows To Escalate Drone Attacks

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NightOwl@lemmy.ca to World News@lemmy.ml · 4 days ago
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Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky vowed on Tuesday that Ukraine would escalate its drone attacks inside Russia and warned that "safe days" are over for civilian aircraft in Russian airspace. "Today, we want to warn every airline that uses Russian airspace, every insurer, and everyone who still
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    In the linked article no one suggests attacks on civilians. Rather it reads as a way to avoid unnecessary casulties.

    What a clickbait headline.

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      Sure but that’s a threat and a weak cover. The logistics of covering Russian airspace with so many drones that a civilian aircraft would just happen into one is ridiculous. This is an incredibly common tactic.

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      Yeah this is what he actually said…

      “Today, we want to warn every airline that uses Russian airspace, every insurer, and everyone who still uses Russia’s key airports: Russian airspace is becoming completely unsafe.”

      “Ukraine does not threaten civilian aviation as such – not a single civilian aircraft. There will simply be drones in Russia’s skies on a scale that has to be taken into account”

      “We in Ukraine do not want innocent lives to be lost. That is why we are warning our partners: the safe days in Russia’s skies are over. It is important that this is heard by the ambassadors of countries represented here in Ukraine, as well as by ambassadors working in Moscow.”

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        How do “russian airspace will become completely unsafe” und “do not threaten civilian aviation” together?

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          War is dangerous. Ukraine has been attacked and is fighting back. They’re warning people that the area they are fighting in is dangerous and they don’t want anyone to get hurt.

          Do you assume Ukraine should prioritize commercial airline safety over their own sovereignty and their own commercial airlines, which have consistently been in danger for years?

          There is not a safe way to conduct war. I’m sure Zelensky would prefer to stop the fighting, but that option currently means the death of Ukraine entirely.

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          Civilian Aircraft wont be deliberately targeted, but there will be so many munitions flying arround unnanounced they would be wise to re-route

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            soooooooooo, i didn’t punch you, your face intercepted my fist kind of mental gymnastics?

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              Gotta be honest if you’re dumb enough to walk straight through the middle of an active fistfight and happen to get punched in the face, that’s your fault.

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                Are you trying to double-down on the Zionist rhetoric? Genuine question, this is the same thing Israelis say about Palestinians.

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                you’re kinda victim blaming civilians being terrorized in a warzone

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                  Normal civilians don’t get on planes and then fly those planes into warzones.

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                    What if you live there? What if you need to get somewhere, because your work demands it, or because your family needs you?

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                glad to know i can punch you and it will be your fault, will do if i have the chance

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                  Hey look, another tankie removing all context for the purposes of justifying violence. How original!

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                    i think the copium is destroying your last living brain cell. you were the one arguing for justified violence.

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        “Ukraine does not threaten civilian aviation as such – not a single civilian aircraft. There will simply be drones in Russia’s skies on a scale that has to be taken into account”

        bro, you gotta learn to read imperialese. this is imperial speak to say we’re going to kill civilians. didn’t you learn form the “enhanced interrogation” scandal from the gringo fascist empire?

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          It’s actually closer to Irans playbook, making the Strait unnavigable. Notice that he explicitly called out insurers in the speech. He wants to exercise political control over the Russian airspace and he’s using drones to do it. “Too risky to travel” means no travel. That’s not killing civilians.

          It should also be completely fair to say, “hey… this is an active war zone. You probably shouldn’t fly here.” At a certain point, the risk is something that the airliner chose to accept. It’s not that Ukraine would target them. It’s that you’re in a fucking war zone, know the risks. Be glad you even got a warning for what should be common sense.

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            The sky above all of Russia is a bit different to a narrow (relatively) strait of water.

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              Sure, but why at all mention insurers then?

              I’m not saying approach is effective, Just that it seems like that would be the approach. Why else would he assume insurers give a shit?

              If you can’t get the cargo and plane insured for the trip, aren’t you going to factor in the increased risk profile before you take off?

              That dynamic seems familiar, doesn’t it? Again, the strait.

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        We in Ukraine do not want innocent lives to be lost.

        Well that’s just an outright and blatant lie.

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      But .ml needs to hate Ukraine, what are the supposed to do, listen to facts?

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        listening to facts are the reason why anyone who reads will understand why ukraine is in the wrong.

        the american congress banned weapons going to ukraine back in 2018 because of its neo nazi proclivities; how are you almost a decade slower than congress?!!!

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          Because you’ve got no evidence, because you’re a lying sack of shit and you know it

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            Because you’ve got no evidence, because you’re a lying sack of shit and you know it

            you’re right, it’s not evidence – it’s literally proof in writing in congress’ records for the public to see for themselves.

            this is a fact but you chose to ignore it and continue believing whatever wikipedia, fox news, npr, cbc, abc, bbc, le monde, der speigel tell you to believe no matter how easily disprovably false it is – you’re just another maga but w bigger echo chamber and an intercontinental reach serving the us empire w/o realizing it.

            do the world a favor and wake tf up!

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              You’re losing and you know it.

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          It’s almost like they are the ones who hate/ignore facts. Or more honestly just wanting to troll and stir up drama since that’s the majority of their comments

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            Because you’ve got no evidence, because you’re a lying sack of shit and you know it

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              It’s almost like they are the ones who hate/ignore facts. Or more honestly just wanting to troll and stir up drama since that’s the majority of their comments

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                You’re losing and you know it.

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              Because you’ve got no evidence

              Are you serious?

              Previously:

              • Reuters, 2014: Leaked audio reveals embarrassing U.S. exchange on Ukraine, EU
              • Leaked recording between Nuland and Pyatt: audio | transcript
              • Counterpunch, 2014: US Imperialism and the Ukraine Coup
              • BBC, 2014: Ukraine underplays role of far right in conflict
              • Human Rights Watch, 2014: Ukraine: Unguided Rockets Killing Civilians
              • Consortium News, 2015: The Mess That Nuland Made Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland engineered Ukraine’s regime change without weighing the likely consequences.
              • The Hill, 2017: The reality of neo-Nazis in Ukraine is far from Kremlin propaganda
              • The Guardian, 2017: ‘I want to bring up a warrior’: Ukraine’s far-right children’s camp – video
              • WaPo, 2018: The war in Ukraine is more devastating than you know
              • Reuters, 2018: Ukraine’s neo-Nazi problem
              • The Nation, 2019: Neo-Nazis and the Far Right Are On the March in Ukraine
              • openDemocracy, 2019: Why Ukraine’s new language law will have long-term consequences
              • Al Jazeera, 2022: Why did Ukraine suspend 11 ‘pro-Russia’ parties?
              • Jacobin, 2022: A US-Backed, Far Right–Led Revolution in Ukraine Helped Bring Us to the Brink of War
              • Consortium News, 2023: The West’s Sabotage of Peace in Ukraine Former Israeli Prime Minister Bennett’s recent comments about getting his mediation efforts squashed in the early days of the war adds more to the growing pile of evidence that Western powers are intent on regime change in Russia.
              • Internationalist 360°, 2022–2024: History of Fascism in Ukraine: Part I, Part II, Part III, Part IV
              • NYT, 2024: U.N. Court to Rule on Whether Ukraine Committed Genocide

              Previously:

              • Human Rights Watch, 2014: Ukraine: Unguided Rockets Killing Civilians
              • WaPo, 2018: The war in Ukraine is more devastating than you know
              • openDemocracy, 2019: Why Ukraine’s new language law will have long-term consequences
              • NYT, 2024: U.N. Court to Rule on Whether Ukraine Committed Genocide
              • https://www.ohchr.org/en/documents/country-reports/40th-periodic-report-human-rights-situation-ukraine-treatment-prisoners
              • https://www.npr.org/2023/01/31/1152743054/human-rights-watch-ukraine-landmines
              • CNN coverage of Donbas in 2014 https://xcancel.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296
              • https://mronline.org/2023/07/30/russia-donbass-and-the-reality-of-the-conflict-in-ukraine/
              • https://www.kanekoa.news/p/osce-reports-reveal-ukraine-started
              • HRW https://www.hrw.org/news/2014/10/20/ukraine-widespread-use-cluster-munitions
              • Donbas documentary 2016 https://youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs
              • Ukraine in Donbas https://ingaza.wordpress.com/2022/08/10/what-ive-seen-of-ukraines-war-crimes-against-civilians-in-the-donbass-over-the-years/
              • Poroshenko saying the quiet part out loud https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHWHqj8g7Bk

              Previously:

              NATO expansion:

              • George Washington Univ., 2017: NATO Expansion: What Gorbachev Heard Declassified documents show security assurances against NATO expansion to Soviet leaders from Baker, Bush, Genscher, Kohl, Gates, Mitterrand, Thatcher, Hurd, Major, and Woerner
              • Orinoco Tribune, 2022: Former German Chancellor Merkel Admits that Minsk Peace Agreements Were Part of Scheme for Ukraine to Buy Time to Prepare for War With Russia
              • Al Mayadeen, 2023: Zelensky admits he never intended to implement Minsk agreements
              • Jeffrey Sachs, 2023: The War in Ukraine Was Provoked—and Why That Matters to Achieve Peace
              • Jeffrey Sachs, 2023: NATO Chief Admits NATO Expansion Was Key to Russian Invasion of Ukraine

               
              NATO in general:

              • The Intercept, 2021: Meet NATO, the Dangerous “Defensive” Alliance Trying to Run the World
              • CounterPunch, 2022: NATO is Not a Defensive Alliance
              • Noam Chomsky, 2023: NATO “most violent, aggressive alliance in the world”
              • Thomas Fazi, 2024: NATO: 75 years of war, unprovoked aggressions and state-sponsored terrorism
              • Gabriel Rockhill, 2020: The U.S. Did Not Defeat Fascism in WWII, It Discretely Internationalized It
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                You’re losing and you know it.

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