This is because a Mac is basically a giant iPad with a keyboard. Everything is abstracted away, so if you’re actually a computer person and try and take command of what’s going on, the giant iPad will say “no you can’t do that” constantly
It feels like trying to drive a car with no steering wheel or pedals, and you’re expected to vibe your way through it with an overly helpful touchscreen interface running interference. Like just please God just give me the steering wheel
Not quite. They’ve tried to adapt some iOS stuff to Mac now that iOS is by farther bigger operating system, but Max are at the core Unix, and you can access everything. You have a zsh shell and can do whatever you want with it. For instance if you get sick of the music app opening, just go remove the x flag from the executable. Can’t do that on an iPad. It’s really quite a capable desktop operating system and after using Linux for 15 years, I decided that I was tired of spending six days a year trying to configure my sound card and I’ve been pretty happy with a MacBook.
Seems kind of drastic. In my experience, most people who have a problem with MacOS are simply not devoting enough effort to learning to use it. I was used to switching between Windows and every single desktop environment and window manager imaginable for Linux so using a Mac has never been remotely difficult or stressful for me. It’s a hell of a lot more familiar than Windows given that it has a real terminal.
Way off. Macs are BSD Unix computers saddled with a desktop whose opinions are both worse and more strongly held than those of GNOME’s. The steering wheel you’re begging for is the terminal. When you get everything done from there, it’s grand. iPads are devices made for consuming only. Macs are for creating.
That’s the thing, they both feel like toys to me. I get frustrated by MacOS because it feels like the interface is fighting me at every step and I can’t “just do something” the normal fast way. I had to use one very frequently at work, so you’d think I’d get used to it eventually, but I just got increasingly more frustrated every day
But on an iPad I don’t care as much that everything is weird. Maybe because I don’t try and do anything complicated on it. Like I basically just use it as a mini TV to watch YouTube or use apps. One time I installed a word processor and IDE on my iPad and also got similarly annoyed with it like Mac OS.
I suppose I just do not gel with any Apple OS in a productive setting. It feels extremely unintuitive and I have to carefully think about everything I do and how to do it. Though I am spoiled by Linux nowadays, and I’m used to how computers worked 20+ years ago. I don’t like it when things try and help me, it just slows me down. Just give me the file system and command line lol. I want to understand and feel everything that’s happening in the computer
Apologies if I make any mistakes in this message, I’m only semi-conscious right now from exhaustion and I don’t trust my sentence structure
I could understand if you were a windows only guy, but if you can understand and use Linux, it’s surprising that using a Mac is difficult. They are very similar. I spend nearly my whole day in terminal and file system. Is there a reason you think Mac doesn’t have either of these?
I only use terminal when I have to. It’s just a collection of micro irritations, it’s hard to explain. Like scroll wheel doesn’t work the way I expect or want. Not even the reversing thing, just the feel of it. I don’t like the ultra dpi screen, I actually prefer lower resolution screens. Every keyboard shortcut is weird and multi key when it didn’t have to be. I’m not going in and changing hundreds. I don’t like the animations, I hate the title bar and options menus, the fonts are difficult for me to read and hard to change (dyslexia). Everything is way too tiny and hard to see, and I never figured out how to zoom in. I hate the way windows work and the bottom bar. I miss the start menu. The file system feels weird and annoying to navigate. The comment further up the chain elaborates on most of the others.
It results in an experience where instead of enjoying tinkering on my computer and just having fun, it feels like fine grit sandpaper that chafes after 20 minutes. Difficult isn’t the right word, I can do everything on a Mac that I need to, but it’s annoying. I get choleric and my work suffers. I just try to get it over with as quickly as possible. I’m never going to like MacOS, it’s not for me and never will be.
Luckily I’m retired now and don’t have to suffer MacOS anymore.
This is because a Mac is basically a giant iPad with a keyboard. Everything is abstracted away, so if you’re actually a computer person and try and take command of what’s going on, the giant iPad will say “no you can’t do that” constantly
It feels like trying to drive a car with no steering wheel or pedals, and you’re expected to vibe your way through it with an overly helpful touchscreen interface running interference. Like just please God just give me the steering wheel
Not quite. They’ve tried to adapt some iOS stuff to Mac now that iOS is by farther bigger operating system, but Max are at the core Unix, and you can access everything. You have a zsh shell and can do whatever you want with it. For instance if you get sick of the music app opening, just go remove the x flag from the executable. Can’t do that on an iPad. It’s really quite a capable desktop operating system and after using Linux for 15 years, I decided that I was tired of spending six days a year trying to configure my sound card and I’ve been pretty happy with a MacBook.
I’m glad it’s working for you, but I would rather cut my hands off than use a Mac again
Seems kind of drastic. In my experience, most people who have a problem with MacOS are simply not devoting enough effort to learning to use it. I was used to switching between Windows and every single desktop environment and window manager imaginable for Linux so using a Mac has never been remotely difficult or stressful for me. It’s a hell of a lot more familiar than Windows given that it has a real terminal.
Way off. Macs are BSD Unix computers saddled with a desktop whose opinions are both worse and more strongly held than those of GNOME’s. The steering wheel you’re begging for is the terminal. When you get everything done from there, it’s grand. iPads are devices made for consuming only. Macs are for creating.
What do you mean way off? My opinion and personal preferences are way off? Huh?
This just isn’t true. How much experience do you have using Mac’s and iPads? They are wildly different.
I’ve used both a lot. iPads are good, they get the job done. Macs piss me off
That’s very interesting to me. iPads are essentially toys, Mac’s can actually do real work.
That’s the thing, they both feel like toys to me. I get frustrated by MacOS because it feels like the interface is fighting me at every step and I can’t “just do something” the normal fast way. I had to use one very frequently at work, so you’d think I’d get used to it eventually, but I just got increasingly more frustrated every day
But on an iPad I don’t care as much that everything is weird. Maybe because I don’t try and do anything complicated on it. Like I basically just use it as a mini TV to watch YouTube or use apps. One time I installed a word processor and IDE on my iPad and also got similarly annoyed with it like Mac OS.
I suppose I just do not gel with any Apple OS in a productive setting. It feels extremely unintuitive and I have to carefully think about everything I do and how to do it. Though I am spoiled by Linux nowadays, and I’m used to how computers worked 20+ years ago. I don’t like it when things try and help me, it just slows me down. Just give me the file system and command line lol. I want to understand and feel everything that’s happening in the computer
Apologies if I make any mistakes in this message, I’m only semi-conscious right now from exhaustion and I don’t trust my sentence structure
I could understand if you were a windows only guy, but if you can understand and use Linux, it’s surprising that using a Mac is difficult. They are very similar. I spend nearly my whole day in terminal and file system. Is there a reason you think Mac doesn’t have either of these?
I only use terminal when I have to. It’s just a collection of micro irritations, it’s hard to explain. Like scroll wheel doesn’t work the way I expect or want. Not even the reversing thing, just the feel of it. I don’t like the ultra dpi screen, I actually prefer lower resolution screens. Every keyboard shortcut is weird and multi key when it didn’t have to be. I’m not going in and changing hundreds. I don’t like the animations, I hate the title bar and options menus, the fonts are difficult for me to read and hard to change (dyslexia). Everything is way too tiny and hard to see, and I never figured out how to zoom in. I hate the way windows work and the bottom bar. I miss the start menu. The file system feels weird and annoying to navigate. The comment further up the chain elaborates on most of the others.
It results in an experience where instead of enjoying tinkering on my computer and just having fun, it feels like fine grit sandpaper that chafes after 20 minutes. Difficult isn’t the right word, I can do everything on a Mac that I need to, but it’s annoying. I get choleric and my work suffers. I just try to get it over with as quickly as possible. I’m never going to like MacOS, it’s not for me and never will be.
Luckily I’m retired now and don’t have to suffer MacOS anymore.
Fair points, most of these are fixed with just a config change.
To me it just sounds like you’re used to doing things the windows way, so the Mac/linux way seems more foreign.
Does KDE Neon not count as Linux?