If by “the U.S.” you mean Bonespurs, not having answers goes without saying. But he won’t keep wasting oxygen forever.
Seems like the simple solution is to buy their cars and focus on producing something else.
Oh It does… They prevent China EV makers from partaking in their “free market” and force you domestic suckers to keep slurping up the status-quo.
The solution is putting their fingers in their ears, screaming “No one wants EVs anyway” “America no1!” “USA! USA! USA!”.
You know, same solution they’ve always used.
I got an answer, give up and let the Chinese EVs in. or just reinvent public transportation for the future and stop wasting ungodly amount of resources for Ford F-150s everywhere
Setting aside fascism, the solution is expanded train infrastructure.
People in here are talking about battery IP but that’s not as important as simple BEV production capacity. An EV is dead simple mechanically but you’ve gotta have the raw resources and factories to keep up. Even then, the US would need to do some major infrastructure upgrades to support a bunch of heavy and plug-hungry EVs.
Trains are a big investment but getting track laid and a few hundred thousand running is much more manageable than trying to replace ~280 million ICE vehicles (97.9% of all US vehicles in 2023).
I predict China is going to feel the same car dependence pain in a few decades if they continue to ramp production and climb the cars-per-capita leader board. It’s crazy expensive to keep millions of people puttering around in multi-ton metal boxes.
US won’t have an answer. Obama invested in battery research, Trump shut it down, Biden invested in battery manufacture, Trump shut it down. During this time, Chinese industry secured a supply chain from raw ore mining to making batteries with patents. US has no IP in batteries.
Same thing is happening with drug discovery, it’s all China for the next decade.
Of course not, the current US government is actively hostile toward EVs and green energy. Why do all these headlines frame this as if it’s so surprising?
US: shoots itself in the foot “WHY ISN’T CHINA LIMPING AS HARD AS I AM?!?!?!?”
The US government is falling all over itself to fellate the oil and gas industry to protect their profits. They have blocked EVs in every way possible.
China doesn’t give a fuck about the US Church of Profits and is building renewable energy and EVs faster than the rest of the world combined.
The west has already lost. China won. China will be in charge in the very near future.
Fuck it, at this point lets give China a shot. They have issues, lots of them, but Europe isn’t going to compete any time soon, and at least China doesn’t switch between telling you you’re friends, and stabbing you in the back every 4-8 years.
Greed, bad organization, bad design, too costly, invasive of owner’s data, friends in the oil biz. Those are some answers, but not all.
Mostly greed. All other answers flow from that.
The answer for what? Is clear that the current policy is short term gains in selling huge overpowered gas trucks that are impossible to sell in the rest of the world, leave door open for Chinese EV, disappear into irrelevance in long term
Was a loyal Ford (european) customer but I don’t want an SUV version of the mustang, a massive truck or whatever the new ‘Capri’ is (its not a Capri).
And why are they all so ugly??
Wtf happened to Ford??
Ford seems to be taking from Tesla’s design language and trying to mix it with their own and the results are really fucking ugly
Its awful. Its like they cut their design team and got AI to do the work instead.
Now I think about it I wouldn’t be surprised if thats actually what happened. But instead of just car design it was their whole product strategy.
Whenever the US car industry seems to be moving towards EVs a major correction takes place and more huge vehicles appear instead. They obviously aren’t serious and will go the way of the buggy whip if they can’t replace management with people who can plan for the long term.
I got to ride in a Li Auotmotive i9 Ultra the other day and it was amazing. Ridiculously luxurious and far ahead of tesla. Cheaper too. It had a fridge and microwave, and big screens everywhere. Its Lidar view of everything around the car was vastly superior to Tesla’s, and it has about 15x the computing power of my model 3.
Guess what, fuck off with fridges and microwaves in cars.
What if I really want a fridge in my car?
nothing wrong with them if they’re optional
This is what happens when you let the oil industry and their lobbyists have unfettered control of the narrative and legislation .You get a huge number of politicians falling into their pockets, and progress is stymied at every turn.
It’s actually kind of surprising America has made the limited progress on EVs that we have. But it’s nowhere near enough. And now we are paying the piper.
Tesla is American.
Lemmy has lots of opinions about vehicles with no actual knowledge. All US companies went in on EVs but you guys bought >3M pickup trucks instead, then you blame US industry for not making the cars you won’t buy.
This is some low effort trolling, do better.
Perverse fuel economy legislation and optimizing for high profit luxury vehicles meant consumers were choosing between a $20-30k ICE truck/suv or a $40k stripped trim EV.
In 2024 (when automakers were finally getting off their asses), only 10 BEV models were under $40k, most with pitiful range and only 2 just under $30k.
For comparison with ICE, there were 18 compact cars under $30k and 13 trucks under $40k. You could buy TWO Ford Mavericks for the price of an Ioniq 5 or a mid-trim Ford Mach-E.
American voters are doing their part to “help,” crying about “high” fuel prices (less than half of what they are here) when one of the big issues is that undertaxation of petrol has led to underinvestment in alternatives.
I mean, what do you want us to do? Index tax taxes or make them percentage based so they don’t go 33 years being eaten away by inflation? Create a system that actually pays for the roads it needs to exist instead of saddling the future with massive debt? Not make it legally difficult to impossible for any alternative forms of transport to exist or at least be usable by sane people? That all sounds impossible. /s
This has very little to do with oil industry lobbyists, and a whole lot to do with the whole world outsourcing their production and labor to a country with no worker protections.
That would explain Chinese dominance in vehicles in general, not EVs in particular.
Also, Chinese EV manufacturing facilities are so efficient precisely because they’re so incredibly highly automated, nothing to do with worker rights regardless of your opinion of China.
That would explain Chinese dominance in vehicles in general, not EVs in particular.
Do ya see a bunch of Chinese ICE vehicles running around?
Also, Chinese EV manufacturing facilities are so efficient precisely because they’re so incredibly highly automated
They’re efficient because they have no concept of workers’ rights or IP. Not because they’re a country full of geniuses, and not because Big Oil is keeping them down, regardless of your opinion on China.
There are plenty of Chinese ICE vehicles, what on earth are you talking about ? MG got rolling here in the UK with ICE before releasing hybrids and EVs, Chery only have ICE and hybrids here etc etc Same in Australia with BYD and the rest.
You’re poorly informed.
Nah, you’re just a propagandized westerner who hasn’t done the most cursory research on the degree of automation in Chinese EV industry. Enjoy malding in your ignorance while your country’s industry crashes and burns
That China has terrible workers rights is a fact. That China also has a lot of automation is an unrelated fact that is also true.
Automation is unrelated to EV price?
Chinese EVs are cheaper because the control the supply chain from mining to battery production. It has nothing to do with automation or cheaper labor, US plants are all automated. Chinese cars need to cost more for transport.
It is impossible to build lower cost cars in the US with healthcare costs, and Trump has only made that worse. US is the only country that ties healthcare to employment.
Mostly. Price is a complex problem. Cost is a floor factor and automation affects that somehow. It is hard to know when automation lower prices as this depends on relative labor costs which have been going up in China.
Its unrelated to a conversation about the oil industry and lobbyists, obviously, yes.
The degree of automation is not relevant to a discussion about why they’re being kept out of other countries, or anything to do with Big Oil.
