• Mic_Check_One_Two@reddthat.comEnglish
    41·
    6 months ago

    This is honestly a win-win. Either the courts recognize that the LLM uses stolen copyrighted content, or they recognize that torrenting is legal by default.

    Though with the way courts have been bending case law into knots recently, I wouldn’t be surprised if they somehow word the ruling in a way that favors Meta and makes torrenting outright illegal.

    • Wren@lemmy.worldEnglish
      2·
      6 months ago

      Ahh, but you’re forgetting the Rules for Thee clause that protects any and all wealthy, white, corporate gremlins from facing the same or similar consequences that any of the poors might face for the same infraction.

    • regrub@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      6 months ago

      And the copyright owners have no problem with them profiting from derived works that were made using pirated content?

    • ulterno@programming.devEnglish
      0·
      6 months ago

      Well, that’s how it tends to be in most places.
      You don’t get caught for downloading; you get caught for uploading.

      Using a similar logic to distribution via DVDs. Only the seller gets into trouble. The buyer does not.

      Another point, opening a web page means downloading it, so if someone wanted to frame someone for downloading something, it would be very easy to make such a trap. This, accompanied with CSAM and network monitoring could be used to easily get any person using the internet, in jail, just for opening the wrong link. So, the laws require much more information regarding intent and such.

  • rottingleaf@lemmy.worldEnglish
    2·
    6 months ago

    So not just they pirated them, which may or may not be a crime and where I may or may not be impartial, but they are also leeches who would be banned on any decent torrent tracker of the olden days.

    • Podunk@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      6 months ago

      Truly despicable. Seeding to at least 1 to 1 is the bare minimum of courtesy and humanity. If you dont, its unethical

  • spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    2·
    6 months ago

    Another example of Republican principles. Corporations are protected by laws but not bound by them, while the average citizen is bound by laws but not protected by them.

  • Jack@slrpnk.netOPEnglish
    1·
    6 months ago

    Also I love how they they don’t say they didn’t seed, just say there is no proof

  • Mohamed@lemmy.caEnglish
    0·
    6 months ago

    This is irrelevant because Meta should not be tried for this the same as a private individual would be.

    The case for torrenting being illegal for private individuals is one or both of:

    1. Downloading in of itself is stealing.
    2. Uploading is giving unauthorized access to someone else who otherwise might have had a harder time finding it. Anything else, such as watching, reading, listening, learning, etc. is not illegal (or does not make sense to make illegal). The exception might be publishing. This is rare for private individuals (e.g. using pirated FL studio to make a commercial song).

    For corporations, a lot change. Firstly, a corporation downloading a torrent is necessarily making unauthorized material available for some people of the company. It’s like a group of 20 friends all downloaded and uploaded to each other. Secondly, they used this copyrighted material commercially (like playing pirated music in a public night club). Both should be illegal.

    However, all of this is still a distraction. The real issue is using copyrighted materials to train commercial AI. Does Meta require permission from copyright holders to make AI based on their work? The law is grey on this, and desperately needs regulations.

    Just my thoughts.

  • JackbyDev@programming.devEnglish
    0·
    6 months ago

    This is why I try to find legitimate sites offering direct downloads instead of illegally uploading during torrenting. There are many sites offering direct downloads, but I often have trouble finding them.

  • Singletona082@lemmy.worldEnglish
    0·
    6 months ago

    So where’s the MAFIAA? Here you go guys, literal industrial scale piracy.

    Or are you afraid to go after someone that isn’t a teenager in their parent’s back room?

      • Singletona082@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        6 months ago

        I am aware. I was simply demonstrating they were never about money, simply bullying people who couldn’t fight back.

        • dual_sport_dork 🐧🗡️@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          6 months ago

          Especially since in the height of my pirating years during teenagerdom, no amount of cajoling or coercion could get me to pay for whatever it was because I didn’t have any money. Which not at all coincidentally was why I was pirating it in the first place.

          These dweebs always operate from the frankly invalid preconception that if the pirate had not pirated the media they would have paid for it and therefore they’re “owed” a sale, but that’s not how it works. I imagine that if the vast majority of people were unable to pirate their thing, they simply would not watch/listen/read/play/consume the thing at all.