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Of Apple’sFoldableiPhonePrototypesHave Visible CreasesGerman renowned institute “Stiftung Warentest” just tested two foldables (both Samsung I think) and had them 50.000 times folded and unfolded (they build machines to
torturetest stuff) and reported no creases.50.000 times is over four years for 32 uses every day (twice every wake hour). Would be more than sufficient for a normal user think.
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Of Apple’sFoldableiPhone Prototypes Have Visible Creasesftfmocd
Except Huawei Mate XS 2, Honor Magic V2, Oppo Find N.
Edit: search engine link unreliable.
So many links about creases.
Many such creases!
Everybody says so.
I don’t get the obsession over the crease, things that fold generally have creases. As long as it’s not distorting things (which IME it doesn’t and is hardly noticeable when in use anyways) it’s fine
They are trying to make foldable iPhones because everyone else is making a foldable phone, but have they stopped and asked themselves if people want and need a foldable?
I have yet to see a real use case for something like a Samsung Z flip, and carrying a bulky Z fold phone in my pocket only to be able to have a tablet once in a while and watch a movie is not interesting enough.
Do I need a foldable phone? No. Do I like the idea of owning a phone that is actually small enough to be used with one hand and can fit anywhere? Yes. Besides, closing it to end a call is very cool.
The ones I have seen in stores are still too long to be used with one hand or fit comfortably into a pocket. My Pixel 7a is about the biggest I can use one-handed, and even then there is awkwardness.
Most Androids have a one-handed mode, where it shrinks the display into a corner, so you can reach everything with your thumb.
Wouldn’t it be better to just, y’know, cut out the free space around it?
you mean having a small phone in the first place?
exactly
Unfortunately a lot of hardware doesn’t fit into small phones yet. You can still get small Androids, but no NFC, wireless charging, fingerprint sensor, etc…
I’m writing this on a Samsung S10e, which is the smallest waterproof one with all the nice features I could get at the time. I can do most things one-handed, but need the one-handed mode to reach the 30% of the screen in top corner furthest away from my thumb. pic related:
I miss small phones
I love big phones though. Smaller ones feel too claustrophobic to me
Also, from a usabity point of view, bigger screens are better for watching videos in landscape, editing text and it’s easier to use the gestures and the keyboard (I don’t even have fat fingers). I think only downside is ring and pinky fingers hurting after a while because of the weight
Yeah, iPhones have similar modes, swipe down and the screen scrolls down you can also swipe the keyboard to either side for better access too.
I hardly ever do that though, except by accident.
I had to go crawling back to Samsung because the pixel 9 is too large (and heavy) for me. I was using a pixel 5 before my screen died earlier this year :(.
Those are probably the Samshits and I too avoided them because they’re too damn long (And their user hostility lol), the Pixel 9 Pro Fold is what you want, folded it’s almost as big as the 7as screen (6.3 to 6.1 on the 7a)
First - 6.3 usually means already over the edge of comfortable, 7a is already almost too much. Second - thickness adds to it when it’s in your hand. And third - why would I spend huge money (doesn’t seem like it would decrease in price with generations as much as a normal phone, it might be EOL when it becomes affordable) on something that breaks more easily and is still bigger?
I don’t personally feel much of a difference in .2 inches of screen, but if 6.1 is your absolute limit, then the Pixel Fold 1 might be your perfect fit with a 5.8 “short and stocky” outer screen
Though I don’t think it’s being sold new anymore, but it looks like eBay has some good condition/refurb models going for ~<800-1k, Google has stated all Pixels will get 6 or 7 years of updates.
I have a Z flip and while it’s far from perfect, foldable flip phones are great and I’d choose them over a same-spec regular phone every day. Much more convenient to carry in my pocket compared to a slab and basically having an included tripod for photos is pretty nice as well.
My z flip is hands down my favorite phone I’ve ever owned and I didn’t get it expecting to like it much. I just needed a new phone and with Samsung’s recycling program, my old near-tablet sized phone made the switch like barely 100 bucks.
There are a lot of small advantages it provides that quickly add up to it being an overall superior experience. Now if only Bixby wasn’t the worst fucking thing ever.
I want a foldable phone.
Phones have become larger abd flatter over the years, and they’re just uncomfortable to have in my pocket. A foldable phone will solve this issue.
I didn’t buy one yet due to not believing the tech is there yet. Screens are very scratchable and the battery life is poor.
I love my flip 6. I had a flip 5 which I abused with no case on it. Got a deal to trade it in broken as fuck for a 6 straight up. I would hate to go back to a regular phone. They are better in every way and the crease isn’t even noticeable after using the phone for a couple days.
I want a flip phone.
I still think the Game boy Advance SP’s design was peak. Lightweight, compact, and very distinct. It looked sleek enough to not look like a toy, where I was using it in the office and nobody would bat an eye.
Give me that with a phone. Im not interested in being a first buyer or spending money for that novelty. But id happily use a foldable the moment they become as reliable as these tablet phones.
The form factor is just really great for a pocketable device, and being able to close a GBA SP really feels satisfying to put away. Same with the (larger) DS.
Personally I’d like a fingerprint reader notch on the back of a Z-fold style phone. Not a fan of the “in-screen” style. Tbh i probably should just not use biometrics unlocking to begin with.
The Z Fold places it’s fingerprint reader on the side power button which isn’t quite the same as the back but it’s a lot closer than the screen based fingerprint readers.
I’d take a foldable over the current slabs any day of the week
Why? What does it bring you? I’m genuinely curious
Smaller overall size of the phone. If the folded thickness is less than a double of the current slabs, and the unfolded size is bigger than them, doesn’t it make sense to you?
With the “current” technology, we could make phones that have 9” screens and insane battery life (The ratio of screen power usage and battery density isn’t 1:1. Think tablets and their insanely good battery life) but it would be impractical, but if you fold them, you get that exact thing.No because it’s ugly. The fold is noticeable in the Samsung version as well. Very easy to tell the screen isn’t glass and that is bothersome when watching videos.
The phone is drastically smaller than most slab phones these days. So it’s very easy to use with one hand. Then when it’s unfolded, the large inner screen is amazing for viewing photos, reading ebooks, comics and reading Reddit/websites.
Do people need foldables? Absolutely not, but I love mine. I went with the OnePlus Open mainly for the cameras, and the bigger screen is great for reviewing or sharing the photos with someone. Having two apps side by side is really nice but I don’t really use that feature that often.
I think the bigger thing is having a screen that faces away from the main viewing side. Showing a live camera view or translating speech into text from another language are two good, but rare, use cases. I think what it really comes down to is how much do you use your phone and for what purpose?
Thanks for the insight! That’s not something I thought about
I kind of want a flip phone for the compact size when folded so it will fit more easily into my tiny pockets. But I don’t want a phone with a screen that likely need regular (and expensive) replacements if I want to keep using it long past the 2 year contract window like I do with most phones.
I agree the Flip and kiln are utterly pointless, just a big ol nostalgic rip imo.
But book styles like Fold are pretty great, being able to go from phone to tablet whenever has been amazing! My Pixel 9 pro fold is my most used tablet ever, I’ve had a lot of tablets over the years and they all end up collecting dust in no time because they suffer from a fatal flaw. They’re never near me when I need/want a tablet the most.
I just got my pro fold, I haven’t used it that much as a tablet to be honest. It is nice to do when I need it.
Did you get the Google insurance thing that’s quite pricey with it? I have a few days to get it.
I just got my pro fold, I haven’t used it that much as a tablet to be honest. It is nice to do when I need it.
That’s the beauty of the “not tall as fuck” (cough Samsuck cough) ones, you don’t feel forced to use it so you’ll use it more when you actually want to lol
Did you get the Google insurance thing that’s quite pricey with it? I have a few days to get it.
I bought through my carrier and have their insurance, folds on my carriers thing has a deductible of $250. I’d look at your carriers offerings if they have any and go with whoever has the cheapest deductible
But in general, I always got the phone insurance even when it wasn’t an 1800$ foldy phone lol
My wife loves her flip. She just upgraded from the 4 to the 6 and the creaae is barely visible when in use
She uses it a lot for videocalls and she folds it to use it as a tripod, and also being able to use the good camera to take selfies is a great use case
She also loves that it fits on most of her pants when folded, usually women’s pants have very small pockets.
That phone is not for me, but I can definitely attest to real use cases
carrying a bulky Z fold phone in my pocket only to be able to have a tablet once in a while and watch a movie is not interesting enough.
It suits my needs perfectly though! You can take my folding phone out of my cold dead hands
Note: the latest pixel fold is about the same size and weight as the pixel 9 pro.
It’s actually kinda incredible that it is that light and thin while folding.
I’ve got one on the way Best Buy screwed up the pre-order and didn’t get enough stock in so I’m left waiting. But yea seems like by all accounts it’s roughly the size of a regular phone plus you get a small tablet when you want.
Meanwhile I want a tablet with phone call support. (Samsung Tabs with LTE/5G are carrier locked)
Nintendo DS emulation, i guess? I really can’t see the benefit for the average iphone user either.
Honestly a foldable smartphone should be 2 touchscreens with a hinge if there’s at all any risk of a bendy screen breaking more easily or otherwise being inferior to that.
Back before smart phones I always preferred flip phones over “candy bars”, the flip phone helps to protect the delicate screen and buttons while the phone is in your pocket/purse. You don’t really need a case for a flip phone.
Modern smart phones tend to be more delicate than they should be across the board, but in theory, a flip phone puts the more delicate parts in a safer place.
Most folds show movies at the same size as regular, non folding phones. That’s not a valid use case unless you’re streaming a 4:3 ratio video from the 30s.
If I were on the verge of running a monopoly, I’d be spending my money on making anything that the competition is making, along with my usual product. Because if you let them run with it and it turns out to be the next big thing, you’ve just shot yourself in the leg. Microsoft is no longer just an OS maker. Google is no longer just a search engine company. Amazon is no longer a bookstore.
Diversify your assets.
Nintendo DS emulation. That’s about the one novelty use case.
I’m shocked that Apple didn’t just make the crease more obvious and consider it a design element and advertise it as something the consumer wants.
I mean for all the things you can meme on Apple for, releasing products for the sake of releasing something isn’t something they’re known for. See Air Power.
For every AirPower there’s a $999 ProStand. Apple is just a greedy company, like everyone else in tech. They are just more picky on the bullshit they sell, but they still sell bullshit.
I have a theory on those stands and stuff. It’s a marketing ploy as people will be talking about the absurdity of it and that’s free advertising for them.
ICrease
That’ll come out. Good thing I bough the optional $400 i…ron.
We invented the crease.
Yeah just like the notch and dynamic island. They even brought the notch to Macbooks since Apple thinks it makes their brand look more uniform.
And I hate every second of it on my work macbook. How one could think cutting out the middle from the space that has to house your applications menu(IntelliJs is huge for example) and your tray icons, which can be quite a lot too, and then not have a function to keep either of them from just disappearing behind that cutout is asinine.
No No, I didn’t need thos menu items anyway…
Only Apple has the courage to give you a crease.
There have been plenty of fads over the lifespan of the smartphone market. E.g. curved edge screens. I think curved screens are another and Apple is right to ignore it. There’s too many compromises required for a foldable and not much benefit to be worth it.
Foldable at least has theoretical benefit, curved screens on a phone are fucking terrible
What I don’t understand is why nobody makes a foldable phone where it’s just two flat screens with an invisible bezel along one edge so they fit seamlessly together when fully opened.
It’s not like there’s a use case where you operate the phone half unfolded and require both halves of the screen to be seamlessly connected.
If the flexing feature wasn’t a gimmick and there was an actual use case for a foldable pocket iPad, someone would have released a phone like the Kyocera Echo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyocera_Echo to commercial success.
not invisible, but the Surface Duo line was pretty much that.
Interesting idea. Bezels have been made pretty thin and there have been curved display edges, but I don’t know if anyone’s ever tried a one-side zero-bezel design that you could hinge together. Bezels in the other sides are fine, but could we create a flush edge with no gap to click two screens against each other?
The first time anything got caught in the gap, it would probably shatter the screens. I do like it better than the crease though
Exactly. And it wouldn’t have to be double wide since some components could be pushed to the other size. I’m fine with it just being like two apps open and not even one big one. Multitasking.
I guess what we really need is a phone case that has hinges and we can just buy two phones!
Microsoft had a dual screen foldable like that, then stopped supporting it
My personal theory for the curved edges is, that samsung just wanted to prevent cheap off brand replacement screens.
Mine is that they wanted it to stand out, compared to all the other phones with flat screens at the time, especially with all the design clones.
You would look at it and go “oh that phone looks funny, must be a Samsung”.
This is what it was when they introduced it. I used to work for an Android OEM at the time and the product people really wanted to get their hands on curved screens for the same reason. Eventually they got Samsung to sell them some but it wasn’t as curved as the ones Samsung used on their devices to keep differentiation. It still cost twice what flat screens which ate a significant chunk of the profit margin.
I think part of the reason was to look good in stores. If you have a non curved and curved phone next to each other playing the demo video, the curved looks waaay more futurostic.
I’d tolerate a crease to have an ipad on my pocket
I have an iPad mini and enormous pockets. I’m living the dream.
Skirts with pockets= world peace, prolly
Only Apple product I care about. God, the Android tablet market is so shit. I miss the Nexus line 😞
From what we know, the folding iPhone will be a flip style foldable. So, just a regular size phone, it won’t be huge when unfolded.
Sad. My pocket would like a flat big phone rather than a cube shaped phone
If you want an iPad in your pocket just buy a Pro Max.
Which isn’t even close to an iPad in size, not even the iPad mini in terms of actual screen real estate.
I’d use the mini if they’d just let me lol.
You mean as a phone? Its modem only does data, yeah.
Yeah. And no phone app.
But that’s my preferred size for sure. I probably won’t bother with a max the next time I get a phone, just because it still isn’t actually big enough for me to justify the price difference.
Kind of relatable. I go with the smaller sizes (regular Pro) as the Max is too large for my relatively small hands to use one-handed but at the same time it’s not large enough to enhance what I can do with the device.
So what I do is I always have my phone with me and optionally I take my 11" iPad Pro with me, although I’m hoping they’ll release a new iPad mini in October as I’d like something a bit more portable (and I also want the variant with mobile data, while my 11" Pro is Wi-Fi only).
iPhone Pro Max screen area: 115.6cm²
iPad Air 11" screen area: 357.6cm²
iPad Air 13" screen area: 519.3cm²
An iPad has between 3 and 4.5 times the screen space than the largest iPhone.
The pro max is too small.
I want a slide out keyboard like on my G1.
Same. I’ll never forget that thing…
They’re all so desperate for an excuse to increase the price further, and I don’t know anybody who wants this.
We’re already at over 6 inch for phones. It’s plenty big enough. If I want to see something on a bigger screen, I’ll use a device with a bigger screen.
As someone who reads a lot on the go folding phones are AMAZING My eyes never felt so good and my pockets so light. That being said it broke after three months of use when I dropped it face first while closed. If they where more durable or repairable I’d definitely go back
I don’t know anybody who wants this.
Just because you don’t personally know them doesn’t mean they don’t exist. There’s very obviously a large market for them or Samsung wouldn’t be in the 5th generation with competition from Google, Huawei, OnePlus, etc.
User error - you are all looking at it wrong
Soon we’ll have tablet sized phones that fold multiple times. lol
Edit: Friends, i have bad news…
Tankie Phone
Not completely related to the foldable iphone(tho im sure it would slap because it would be a good execution of the idea) but its such a shame that apple has to be so bitchy with their software. If theyd just open up the software(or the eu forces them to) i would instantly buy one when custom os’s are available. Imagine getting a linux iphone.
Why do you need an iPhone to get a Linux phone?
Apple is leaning into the criticism that all they do is copy Samsung tech. Nobody wants a folding iPhone.
I absolutely do. Look at the Huawei Trifold for an example. It’s overly expensive, and has issues, which is why I wouldn’t get it. But the concept is decent. A phone that unfolds into an incredibly thin tablet. What’s not to like?
I’d rather a simpler phone at this point. I don’t think I’ve ever looked at my phone and felt that it’s too small. I can think of other ways that I’d want phones to be more functional, like connecting to external peripherals and a monitor.
Lots of people are excited about folding phones too though, so more power to them if companies are willing to go that way.
It’s ugly and the fold is noticeable which is distracting when watching videos. Not to mention Huawei is banned in the US
I can’t speak for that device in particular, but I’ve been using a Galaxy Fold for a few years now and the crease is literally nothing. In most cases, you’re looking dead on at the phone and you can’t see it. If you’re outside it becomes slightly more noticeable, but the bright glare from the sun in general makes for more of a problem than the crease. I have no intention of going back to a non-folding device.
Also, Huawei is not banned from being purchased and used by consumers in the US lmao.
GTFO with a folding phone. Stupid shit.
I’m pretty perfectionist about some things, but I honestly forget all of the time about this little crease in my phone. I thought I might give a shit before I bought a Motorola Razr last year, and now I often forget that it’s a foldable. Imagine if you will, a phone that actually fucking fits in your jean pockets…it’s worth the little (often invisible) crease.
I liked my jumbo iPhone for a while but it was too long to fit comfortably in my pocket. Making it foldable wouldn’t help though, because the main reason I got rid of it was I kept dropping it. Too big to use with one hand.
Imagine if you will, a phone that actually fucking fits in your jean pockets
Size issue. My jean pockets can fit a whole tablet.
Had a manager that somewhat creepily checked for people’s phones, the look on her face when I pulled an entire box of cereal from my pocket they couldn’t see was pretty good.
I know you probably mean one of those serving-sized cereal boxes, but the mental image of you pulling out a family-sized box of cereal from some portal-to-Narnia pocket in your pants is fucking hilarious to me.
I mean not the family size, but yes a full on box of cereal.
Foldable phones look and work like shit. Not a shock that Apple wants nothing to do with a silly fad— not until it’s worth it for them.
I am on my second foldable phone, and on my fourth year using them. Not only does your statement is not true, you probably never even touched a single foldable.
Looks? Subjective. I personally love the form factor. Works like shit? In your dreams.
Same here. Got in with he Fold 3 and I’m now on the Fold 6. They’re fantastic and I can imagine going back. The convenience of having a mini tablet with you that you can annotate stuff on is too good to give up.
Which do you have? Genuinely curious, never used the modern ones, but assumed they’d be shit/very fragile
I’ve had both the Samsung Fold 2 and now the Pixel Fold
N cer had any issues with them
I know a few people at work that have foldables. Both are not going back and the crease really isnt noticeable.
One guy has the Google Pixel Fold. His kids share his phone to leave his wife’s phone alone when they are watching something. It makes it easier to share with his kids because its a larger screen. When it was smaller they fought more because they couldn’t all watch on a small screen. Hes reaping benefits too. Ive seen him have it open to watch NFL highlights lol.
The other person I know is a manager and its just really nice.
I don’t have one myself because its pretty $$$. If I valued phones I would pick one up myself. Year after year they have gotten significantly better with the crease and hardware. They’re often very beast with hardware features.
Last time I looked, the aspect ratios for the unfolded screens were such that you didn’t actually get any more screen real estate than a normal smartphone so the kids analogy doesn’t make a ton of sense to me. For media it’s like you get the illusion of a bigger screen.
I’ve seen the same, but tbh in real world use on my Pixel 9 Pro Fold even with the big black bars on a full screen video it still feels like quite a large viewable area
Doesn’t that “feeling” though kinda confirm that it’s an illusion of screen space when you can measure the diagonal image on a normal phone and see that it’s the same?
You’ve been through two phones in just four years? That doesn’t sound that great for them…
Upgrading every three years is pretty normal, I’d say. I know people that change phones every new iteration of their fruity ones. Unless you were trying to be funny, for which it may have gone over my head.
Only three years for a premium phone sounds like rich people behavior, to be honest.
Nah, here in the US the majority of people buy through their carrier and typically put them on a 0% interest Equipment Installment Plan (EIP) that break the cost to a monthly payment typically spanning 2 years.
The carriers also have an upgrade path, for me on T-Mobile when the phone is 50% paid (so once a year) I can turn in this phone and upgrade. The remaining balance gets wiped and replaced by the new phone. Other US carriers should be similar.
I typically upgrade once a year
That… Seems so wasteful for me.
I spend extremely little on myself. I have a good salary and no vices, every bill and payment is taken care of, and my family is well taken care of between me and my partner.
If I want to indulge myself with a new toy once every three years, I may very well do so without some guy having to complain about it. Sure, call me rich. I guess I’d live up that princess moniker I have on my nickname.The large U.S. carriers have plans that are, I think, $20-30 a month and you get the newest phone as soon as it comes out, apple or Samsung. They also partner with manufacturers for discounts and trade-in deals, especially when a new model comes out. My last phone was 2 years old but when they offered me the newest one for something like $120 after trade-in (I think that was almost $1100 off, I don’t remember all the details) I upgraded everyone on my plan. I think they did the same thing this year but even with those discounts the pain in the ass of upgrading plus the price, even though it’s low, wasn’t worth the small year over year change. Probably next year or the year after. Assuming similar deals, that makes it $40-$60 a year to get a new phone every 2-3 years.
Edit: You do have to stay with the carrier though. If you leave in less than 24 months you have to pay back a prorated part of the discount. Or at least the part that comes from the carrier, I think you keep the enhanced trade-in from the manufacturer.
But they’re going on the AI fad now. Not like they are geniuses after all.
They need to.
Siri is basically unusable compared to ChatGPT.
They’ll wait for
the tech to matureother manufacturers to figure it out, starve people for a few more years, then release it with a +400% markup and act like they came up with the idea. That’s how it’s always been.Although I don’t see a future where bendable fucking glass screens become anything more than a gimmick.
(edit) oh hey, the Apple zealots are awake!
My bendable glass screen is the shit. I’m never going back. It’s so small in my pocket.
