CAIRO, Aug 15 (Reuters) - A Hamas guard who killed an Israeli hostage acted “in revenge” and against instructions after he heard news that his two children had been killed in an Israeli strike, a spokesperson for the group’s armed wing said on Thursday.
“The (Hamas) soldier assigned as a guard acted in a retaliatory manner, against instructions, after he received information that his two children were martyred in one of the massacres conducted by the enemy,” Abu Ubaida said on Telegram.
“The incident doesn’t represent our ethics and the instructions of our religion in dealing with captives. We will reinforce the instructions,” he added.
Inevitable for some soldiers to go against instructions. Can’t imagine what it’s like to hear your two children have been killed…
Hamas had a whole investigation and remediation in the space of days, in the middle of a war zone. Meanwhile we’re still waiting to find out who killed Shireen Abu Akleh over 2 years ago.
Keep in mind it’s always possible that they do this partly for PR. But at least they were transparent, even if they did in to look good. After all, next to Israel, anyone would look good.
No Israeli hostages so far suffered injuries from their guards while put in captivity. This incident was the exception.
I think there probably were some? Pretty sure some released hostages described abuse and sexual assault.
I hate Hamas, as a Palestinian, but Hamas fighters are not demons… they are not angels either.
Cite the sexual abuse stuff from a reputable source, edit your comment, or catch a ban. You have 24 hours.
Before I do that can I say this?
I guess what you mean to ask is: was this part of the NYT report or not? Is that right?
And also, I agree that much of that report was BS, but is that enough to discredit every single story in it? You may pretty well be denying rapes that did take place. I have no reason to deny the testimonies of some of these women. Hamas fighters are not angels and it would be quite naive to assume that no rape happened. What I said does not suggest that Hamas carries out systematic rape. Maybe that is a claim more worth your time to moderate than “some victims came out and spoke out about sexual assault during captivity.”
But if this is how things roll in this community then just ban me 😉
One started making claims of sexual assault 100 days after her release in the day 50 prisoner swap.
It was mentioned released hostages are pressured by the Israeli government into making false confessions. They tell them if they lie there will be more pressure on Hamas to release other hostages.
No physical signs of any abuse was found.
Thanks for pointing that out. No denying this. Is this about Amit Soussanna? Would be curious to see a timeline for that. But also as a rape victim myself, it took me years to finally come out and tell my parents what had happened. It’s possible that she is lying, but also possible that she is saying he truth. It doesn’t say anything politically about Hamas or Palestinians… it’s just a thing that is likely to have happened.
The thing is, it would also be naive to assume that no sexual assault or abuse happeend. Even Hezbollah (a much more disciplined army) will have cases like that.
Rape happens all the time in war, but you’re claiming it is happening in a particular instance so I’m gonna need you to cite that or edit the comment.
Except for that were raped, but I guess since they’re Israeli, that doesn’t count?
Imaginary rape does not count. Not even when they are Israeli.
And the family of the hostages can kill whoever they want to “in revenge”? You guys really have twisted morals.
Hamas: Shit, one of our guys got upset and killed an Israeli prisoner. This isn’t good.
Israel: We have a moral right to r*pe any Palestinian prisoners we want to.
the family of the hostages can kill whoever they want
Yes, Israel has been doing this since October. Yes, their morals are sickening.
I’ll be honest, at this point I don’t know what purpose the hostages are serving anyway. The Israeli government is not negotiating for their return in good faith, and they aren’t deterring the wholesale glassing of the Gaza strip. Clearly there is no legitimate interest in getting the hostages back alive. Even if you consider the token Israeli “protests” being organized, most of those people aren’t actually demanding an end to the war. It’s pretty clear the hostages are no longer serving as useful bargaining chips (if they ever were). I can’t say I really blame this guy.
In fact, one may even argue this was an act of mercy compared to the alternative of being indefinitely held prisoner in presumably pretty poor conditions, just waiting to be murdered by the IDF.
Were there no hostages Israel would never agree to a ceasefire. They would claim they need to eradicate Hamas no matter the cost. The massive demonstrations for a ceasefire inside of Israel are to get the hostages out. Not because they care for Palestinians.
Were there no hostages Israel would never agree to a ceasefire. They would claim they need to eradicate Hamas no matter the cost.
So… you mean like how things are already? That’s the exact point I’m making, lmao.
The massive demonstrations for a ceasefire inside of Israel are to get the hostages out. Not because they care for Palestinians.
No shit. But what good is a “ceasefire” if it doesn’t actually end the war? Hamas has no incentive to agree to hand over hostages if Israel is just going to resume bombing the shit out of Gaza as soon as they’ve been released, which is what most of the demonstrators actually want.
So… you mean like how things are already? That’s the exact point I’m making, lmao.
Yes but also no. The current conditions are largely the same but that is because no deal has yet been made.
With the hostages Hamas can demand things from a deal. Like the IDF permanently withdrawing from Gaza and releasing their Palestinian hostages. Without hostages there would be no way for Hamas to have any demands.
Hamas still holding the hostages is also physical hard evidence for the world to see how incapable the IDF is in achieving its stated objective of retrieving the hostages.
Furthermore the reason Israelis are demonstrating for a ceasefire is because of the hostages. It causes division and turmoil within Israel.
The hostages are the leverage Hamas have in a deal. Without them they have no leverage.
That’s a far better response than anything Israel has said about killing journalists and children.
Isn’t it wild the terrorists are currently following international law closer than the established nation.
There’s an international law that says you can take hostages?
Seriously, fuck Israel. A painful death to the Zionist Entity.
I don’t blame that man. Jesus, I hope he can find peace someday.
That’s wrong and the guards should be punished.
I don’t agree
I think that Hamas fighters should listen to their superiors.
I don’t think killing hostages is the right thing to do.
Have a hard time finding fault with this person for seeking revenge after hearing that his children were murdered.
So, the guard shouldn’t have done this, but I can’t say that I would do differently in his situation. If someone killed my child I would be looking for revenge as well.
Their restraint is actually unbelievable and makes me question what I know about human resilience and dignity
It makes me feel like I am capable of incredible discipline
Seeing the tunnels makes me wonder about the future of civilization, about the projects we are capable of beyond capitalism’s dampening constraints, and the primitive ones before it
Terrorists killing hostages in response to his kids being killed by other terrorists. Who would have that that this is where this war was going to lead…
both-siding a genocide is fucking wild, yo
