All of my TVs have never seen an internet connection. I know the Apple hate is strong, but I’ve been throwing ATVs behind them since they were first released. No ads, no BS. Just a very clean experience that has never changed.
All of my TVs have never seen an internet connection.
I don’t want this device, or one like it, because it’s proprietary and there are good, open “streaming/media/PVR device what connects to a TV” devices out there. I can get HTPC hardware and put Kodi or MythTV on it.
But.
This isn’t a TV. It’s a device that connects to the Internet on one side and to the TV on the other, like a cable box.
For me, at least, there’s a very large difference there. I absolutely do not want a TV that connects to the Internet for a long, long range of reasons. I want a TV that is a dumb display. I want it to be a good display, but just a display.
All-in-one devices need to get thrown out when some part of them is obsolete. The streaming aspect has been rapidly changing, as well as the computing aspect. Sometimes new security issues arise. Sometimes new functionality (like wireless) arises. Dumb displays, in contrast, can often serve for a very long time. You can use an old, analog TV quite some decades after its manufacturer has gone out of business. I want a modular setup, not an all-in-one, given the considerable disparity in when each component is likely to become obsolete. Same thing with stuff like building Android computers into cars – that Android computer is likely going to be obsolete long before the car is mechanically obsolete.
A “smart” TV sees and can act on everything that you’re viewing. An attached box only knows about what it is outputting to the TV.
I’d also add some other points, not specific to the all-in-one aspect.
You may not want to use a commercial streaming service at all. But if you do, I’m not aware of any that offer a no-log policy. I mean, personally, I get a lot of good out of YouTube and would happily buy YouTube Premium if I could be certain that it’d come with a no-log policy, but what Google’s selling, as best I can tell, is no ads. If I pay for YouTube Premium, it just reliably links my financial information to my profile. I don’t want that. And the same is probably, though I haven’t gone through and audited them, true of other streaming services. Frankly, if I were to buy one, I’d rather have any such service that might be data-mining me on a little box that only talks to my TV and the Internet, not living on an Android device or personal computer that I use.
Even if a company doesn’t do ads, they’ll likely outsource it to someone. Like, even if a company offers a commercial service and has premium, ad-free service, my guess is that they will probably also have an ad-supported mode of operation to appeal to customers who don’t want to pay the fee. I mean, most television in the US, even in the pre-Internet era, traditionally has been substantially ad-supported. If a service cannot insert ads, then people have found other routes to get ads in front of people’s eyes, like paid product placement in the actual media that you’re watching. Even if I were going to watch ads, I’d rather have them separate from the media that I’m watching than worked into it.
I first started my journey with an ATI All in Wonder somewhere around 1997. I thought, wow this is cool. I can plug my computer into a TV!
From that point on I was determined to build the perfect media center as technology improved and allowed it. But there was always a catch.
TV
First of all, cable companies hated those tuners. They always had issues. Then channels started to become “encrypted” and wouldn’t work with the tuner. Then you needed special tuner from the cable company but they would do everything they could to avoid giving you one. Then eventually I gave up on TV.
Digital Video
**** divx enters the chat ****
What a time! Now we’re cooking. My media center can play digital videos! I have a collection and XBMC is awesome! I even have a remote! Life is great! Netflix is awesome and they keep sending me DVDs and I keep ripping em.
Streaming Video
Netflix is now streaming! And look, there’s a plugin for it. It works… kinda … sometimes? Let the battle begin between XBMC plugins and streaming providers.
Spoiler Alert
Streaming services won.
Move from XBMC to kodi to Plex
I was one of the first early adopters of Plex. Lifetime pass member going on 13 years now.
I eventually picked up a HDHomerun device and added OTA TV to my media center.
Family
I had a decent workflow and ways to get everything working from my media center. Streaming services work arounds plugins. Loved it. But it wasn’t exactly family / wife friendly. Well it was until it wasn’t. Somewhere around 2013 I cut my loses and threw in an Apple TV and loaded it with Plex. Now I had the best of both words. Streaming services just work ( at the proper quality I was paying for ) and my life long collection of video was accessible with a single click.
That’s where I am now. Except I’m rocking Jellyfin. Streaming services are hard requirement in this house and this is where I settled. I’m very happy with the AppleTVs and my setup. It’s has “just worked”, every time, for everyone in the family, for well over a decade.
All of my TVs have never seen an internet connection. I know the Apple hate is strong, but I’ve been throwing ATVs behind them since they were first released. No ads, no BS. Just a very clean experience that has never changed.
I don’t want this device, or one like it, because it’s proprietary and there are good, open “streaming/media/PVR device what connects to a TV” devices out there. I can get HTPC hardware and put Kodi or MythTV on it.
But.
This isn’t a TV. It’s a device that connects to the Internet on one side and to the TV on the other, like a cable box.
For me, at least, there’s a very large difference there. I absolutely do not want a TV that connects to the Internet for a long, long range of reasons. I want a TV that is a dumb display. I want it to be a good display, but just a display.
All-in-one devices need to get thrown out when some part of them is obsolete. The streaming aspect has been rapidly changing, as well as the computing aspect. Sometimes new security issues arise. Sometimes new functionality (like wireless) arises. Dumb displays, in contrast, can often serve for a very long time. You can use an old, analog TV quite some decades after its manufacturer has gone out of business. I want a modular setup, not an all-in-one, given the considerable disparity in when each component is likely to become obsolete. Same thing with stuff like building Android computers into cars – that Android computer is likely going to be obsolete long before the car is mechanically obsolete.
A “smart” TV sees and can act on everything that you’re viewing. An attached box only knows about what it is outputting to the TV.
I’d also add some other points, not specific to the all-in-one aspect.
You may not want to use a commercial streaming service at all. But if you do, I’m not aware of any that offer a no-log policy. I mean, personally, I get a lot of good out of YouTube and would happily buy YouTube Premium if I could be certain that it’d come with a no-log policy, but what Google’s selling, as best I can tell, is no ads. If I pay for YouTube Premium, it just reliably links my financial information to my profile. I don’t want that. And the same is probably, though I haven’t gone through and audited them, true of other streaming services. Frankly, if I were to buy one, I’d rather have any such service that might be data-mining me on a little box that only talks to my TV and the Internet, not living on an Android device or personal computer that I use.
Even if a company doesn’t do ads, they’ll likely outsource it to someone. Like, even if a company offers a commercial service and has premium, ad-free service, my guess is that they will probably also have an ad-supported mode of operation to appeal to customers who don’t want to pay the fee. I mean, most television in the US, even in the pre-Internet era, traditionally has been substantially ad-supported. If a service cannot insert ads, then people have found other routes to get ads in front of people’s eyes, like paid product placement in the actual media that you’re watching. Even if I were going to watch ads, I’d rather have them separate from the media that I’m watching than worked into it.
I first started my journey with an ATI All in Wonder somewhere around 1997. I thought, wow this is cool. I can plug my computer into a TV!
From that point on I was determined to build the perfect media center as technology improved and allowed it. But there was always a catch.
TV
First of all, cable companies hated those tuners. They always had issues. Then channels started to become “encrypted” and wouldn’t work with the tuner. Then you needed special tuner from the cable company but they would do everything they could to avoid giving you one. Then eventually I gave up on TV.
Digital Video
**** divx enters the chat **** What a time! Now we’re cooking. My media center can play digital videos! I have a collection and XBMC is awesome! I even have a remote! Life is great! Netflix is awesome and they keep sending me DVDs and I keep ripping em.
Streaming Video
Netflix is now streaming! And look, there’s a plugin for it. It works… kinda … sometimes? Let the battle begin between XBMC plugins and streaming providers.
Spoiler Alert
Streaming services won.
Move from XBMC to kodi to Plex I was one of the first early adopters of Plex. Lifetime pass member going on 13 years now. I eventually picked up a HDHomerun device and added OTA TV to my media center.
Family
I had a decent workflow and ways to get everything working from my media center. Streaming services work arounds plugins. Loved it. But it wasn’t exactly family / wife friendly. Well it was until it wasn’t. Somewhere around 2013 I cut my loses and threw in an Apple TV and loaded it with Plex. Now I had the best of both words. Streaming services just work ( at the proper quality I was paying for ) and my life long collection of video was accessible with a single click.
That’s where I am now. Except I’m rocking Jellyfin. Streaming services are hard requirement in this house and this is where I settled. I’m very happy with the AppleTVs and my setup. It’s has “just worked”, every time, for everyone in the family, for well over a decade.