But I thought fascism was only going to happen if Trump is elected? Guess it’s already here, now what do we do??
I know!
let’s not vote and get trump elected so that instead of just being arrested, these people are shipped off to a gulag.
That will fix everything!
I think you need a literal rebellion to get the change you want. Glad I don’t live there, watching America decay is something else.
This isn’t fascism. These people will get a slap on the wrist and be sent home in a day or two. Under fascism these people would never be heard from again.
This is fascism-lite. Just because people aren’t disappeared doesn’t mean it’s not in the same category. And the only way we can hope to stop from getting to “actual” fascism is by resisting shit like this.
Exactly.
Fascism doesn’t come in detended stages, it’s tiny increments where the state seizes more power and restricts rights gradually until suddenly you notice that people are disappearing and everyones primary emotion is fear
I don’t disagree that silencing protest is bad. It’s just not fascism. Fascists kill dissenters.
Treating protestors like this is the norm (though it always must be fought). It’s how they were treated during Occupy Wall Street. It’s how they were treated during Vietnam and the civil rights fight. Authoritarianism can come from both the left and the right. Fascism is always from the right.
Fascists kill dissenters.
Not in the beginning. In the beginning it’s more about the economic side of fascism. And that has definitely happened in the US. For decades now.
So punishing free speech and protest is not fascist provided that they are “only” in jail for a couple of days? Seriously?
Obviously cracking down on protests doesn’t mean it’s 1930s Germany but it’s part of the same playbook, surely?
Most other prisoners of the early camps were soon set free again—not because of outside intervention, but because the authorities felt that a brief period of shock and awe was normally enough to force opponents into compliance. As a result, there was a rapid turnover in 1933, with the places of released prisoners quickly filled with new ones.
The duration of detention was unpredictable. Prisoners who expected to regain their freedom after a few days were mostly disappointed, but it was rare for them to remain inside for a year or more. Longer spells were served in the bigger, more permanent camps, but even in a large camp like Oranienburg, around two‐thirds of all prisoners stayed for less than three months.244
The result was a constant stream of former prisoners back into German society, and it was these men and women who would become the most important sources of private knowledge about the early camps.
(Emphasis added. Source.)
I’m certainly not defending the silencing of protest. It’s just that all fascism is authoritarian, but not all authoritarianism is fascist. Fascism has a specific definition and it’s a whole other degree of bad.
would you be able to link to a page that helps describe fascism as you say: that relies on severity of consequence?
asking because whilst i agree that fascism is specific - and this doesn’t cover it - im not sure that degree of severity is part of the definition and that could be a dangerous precedent to set because the other parts of fascism about control and quashing dissent enable the severe consequences once they are present
Boot licker
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Y’all need to hear the fable of the boy who cried wolf.
Ratio mate
The right to free speech and peaceful protest, what a funny joke.
Hey now, don’t go spreading misinformation.
You can still have protests and not get attacked by cops; it just has to be a neo-nazi protest.
So ACAB, and we are a country with stupidly low quality of freedom despite the morons who just think guns=freedom, and fuck this was a BS move.
However, the Constitution states only that the government will not pass laws that interfere with freedom of assembly. Courts have decided that this includes protests, picketing, labor strikes, etc.
Courts have also concluded that this doesn’t mean you can assemble wherever you want, namely on private property. These students were essentially just trespassed by the university. Can’t really blame the policeor government for this one, unless you want to lean more extreme that they should be saying “fuck off, we disagree”. But I’d rather have a system where the police follow the law because I don’t trust any of them to make any good decisions on their own morals.
The chief even came out with a statement that was a dig at the university president that he only observed peaceful protest, not the bullshit she was claiming.
UT-Austin is public. University of Minnesota is public. Ohio State is public. All of these schools receive billions in government funding.
The notorious land of the freedom.
The police have ever been henchmen of the capitalist class that has ever ruled this country. Their core purpose is to protect the capitalists’ private property—historically including chattel slaves—and to discipline labor.
Now that we’ve reached imperialism, the monopoly stage of capitalism, the police are brutalizing anyone who stands between the capitalists and their imperial interests, in this case their interests in West Asia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_brutality#History
Early records suggest that labor strikes were the first large-scale incidents of police brutality in the United States, including events like the Great Railroad Strike of 1877, the Pullman Strike of 1894, the 1912 Lawrence textile strike, the Ludlow massacre of 1914, the Great Steel Strike of 1919, and the Hanapepe massacre of 1924.
The racist roots of American policing: From slave patrols to traffic stops
TL;DR: ACAB
…am I the only one who misread ‘NYPD’ as ‘NSDAP’?
misread
USA is a fascist state.
This is happening under Biden. There’s a reason why bluemaga isn’t calling Trump a fascist anymore.
Someone please post this on lemmy.world, I want to see their reaction.
The hell does a civil request for trespass have to do with Biden?
Let me get this straight. Public universities (including the University of Minnesota, UT Austin, and others) are private property, despite receiving billions in government funding?
I don’t have anything to add, but I wanted to thank you, OP, for the comments/links in the thread.
Fascists gotta protect genocide, after all.
And not a single one of the articles OP posted refer to these as anti-genocide protests.
Every media outlet who keeps framing this as students supporting Palestine or opposing Israel is burying the lede, that these students wouldn’t be supporting or opposing anything if there wasn’t a fucking genocide.
Thats why after years of tiktok bans being non starters the shit suddenly happened in like a week - its the only platform they can’t bully into censoring any mention of genocide.
That is actually insane, holy shit.
Reasonably sure this is what the 2nd Amendment is for.
