and inevitably finding out

The difference is that the US completely dominated Vietnam in terms of technology and firepower. They razed the whole country to the ground, and poisoned much of the land there. People are still born with birth defects today thanks to the atrocities the US committed against Vietnam. The US was defeated in the end, but it came at a huge cost for the Vietnamese.

The key difference is that Iran has the technology to hit the US in the rear. Iran can attack bases, airfields, radars, and so on. The US has no safe staging area against Iran. So, I don’t think the type of war the US ran against Vietnam is even possible here.

On top of that, Iran has the US by the balls economically because they control traffic through Hormuz. Trump already blurted out how they only have 4 weeks of oil left.

I’d argue that Iran is fundamentally different from every other war the US has waged since WW2 because it’s the first time the US decided to directly take on an opponent that can match them technologically. What happened here is that technology has advanced past the point where US military doctrine makes sense. It simply doesn’t account for stuff like cheap drones, or IR based AA systems which Iran has. Iran also has access to Russian and Chinese satellite data and advanced missiles that US is unable to intercept. On top of that, Iran is fighting on their home turf while the US has a logistics nightmare of ferrying weapons, troops, and other supplies across the ocean.

And what makes this war different is the fact that the US was actually visibly defeated in head to head combat. It’s not like Vietnam or Afghanistan where they razed the country to the ground and abused these people for years on end until they got bored and left. This time around, Iran was able to respond decisively with their own weapons and destroy US based, aircraft, it was able to track down and attack US troops hiding in hotels across the Gulf states. This has simply never happened before.

imagine being this detached from reality y’all

Looks like the burger reich still has not learned that it can’t fuck around without consequences.

just pure gaslighting

Oh it is, once the US economy crashes due to energy shortage. He already blurted out they only have 4 weeks of oil left.

looks like somebody just decided they want to be on a list of targets for a nuclear strike

It’s really hard to take you seriously when you start making false equivalences like that.

you can really tell when they start projecting there 🤣

I’m not the one criticising China and Russia that they’re not doing enough, you are.

And in return lift Iranian sanctions and receive massive economic prosperity.

That would obviously not happen. The US openly states that it wants to destroy Iran, and it has literally been assassinating their leaders. The only way the US would accept Iran is as a vassal state like Syria which would obviously mean purges of everyone currently in power. I really have a hard time believing that even you can’t understand something so basic, so I have to wonder why you would write something that’s obviously false.

Palestine doesn’t need to be next door to Iran or belong to them. They’re part of the axis of resistance weakening their main enemy which is Israel. Again, even a child should be able to understand why abandoning your allies would be a bad look. The reason Yemen, Hezbollah, and Iraqi militias are aligned with Iran is because they all have a common cause. If Iran starts abandoning allies, then the whole coalition would fall apart and they would all be taken out one by one.

Meanwhile, who gives a fuck about resolutions at the UN? There are plenty of resolutions on Gaza at the UN, show me what they achieve materially? What Russia and China do is provide weapons and economic aid. The fact that you have your head so far up your own ass that you can’t even acknowledge this is phenomenal.

Yes, Cuba is a prime fucking example of Russia and China providing material support. Different countries support each other in different ways. I don’t see you grabbing a gun and going to fight in Cuba either. You’re sitting comfortably at home while shitposting here. Grow the fuck up.

No, abandoning Palestine and Lebanon would absolutely not improve their position because it would just means they would be surrounded by US/Israeli proxies. Iran is fighting for the same reason Russia is fighting. They realize that this is existential for their sovereignty.

Also, I guess you slept through the whole tariff war if you think the US isn’t attacking China. Meanwhile, China, just like Russia and Iran, has to deal with US proxies being set up all over Asia. I know this is hard for you to wrap your head around, but the world is a bit bigger than Cuba and Palestine.

Iran is closing Hormuz to protect its own interests first and foremost. Israel is the biggest threat to Iran in the region, and they have the upper hand now, so they are obviously using it.

Meanwhile, NATO ground invasion is an absurd idea, and everybody knows it. If you want to see a country fighting NATO fascists directly that what Russia’s been doing for the past 4 years. Weird how you don’t mention that anywhere. What western backed fascists were trying to do in Donbas is exactly what Israel is doing in Palestine right now. The reason that didn’t happen was Russia.

You have a myopic view of the world, and you really have to start broadening it and looking at the world as an interconnected place instead of cherry picking individual conflicts to obsess over. The broader war is between the west and the Global South represented by G7 and BRICS. All these conflicts are connected to each other and the economic war that’s happening. These aren’t isolated incidents and individual countries duking it out.

The fact that it’s not pure altruism isn’t the gotcha you seem to think it is. And of course, Iran isn’t helping Palestine out of pure altruism either. Why do you think Iran just sat by while the genocide was happening for over a year. They could’ve closed Hormuz any time. The reason they are taking action now is because they’re being threatened by the empire and its outpost in Israel. Iran is also trying to improve its position in the region. It’s frankly incredible that you don’t understand this.

Once again, since you keep ignoring the elephant in the room, the only reason Iran is able to engage in international solidarity is because of the solidarity Russia and China have with Iran providing them with weapons, technology, economic aid, and diplomatic support. Evidently the concept of any support outside direct military action is just too difficult for you to comprehend.

Similarly, the whole context for this thread is China providing Cuba with the material means to deal with the energy crisis. But hey, why engage with reality when you can just confidently spew idealist nonsense. Once you’ve done better then you get the right to screech, but until then kindly sit the fuck down.

If you genuinely don’t understand that Iran is only able to step up because of support from Russia and China, what else is there to say really.

Maybe in the bubble you live in that’s the case. This is very much standard usage by Marxists to criticize idealists who consistently fail to do actual material analysis of the world.

The only reason Iran is able to step up to the plate is because of material support from Russia and China. I guess actually being able to understand how things are interconnected is too much to ask here.

My hands down fav part of the article is here though, like are they implying that Iran did not, objectively speaking, prevail in the war?

Even after an initial ceasefire was announced in April, Iran has demonstrated that it remains willing to resume its use of military force, an aggressive stance that has helped it extract key economic concessions from the United States and allowed the regime to craft a narrative at home that it prevailed in the war.

The word ultra is used to refer precisely to what Lenin is talking about, it’s equivalent to pointing out that you are a deeply unserious person who doesn’t engage with material reality we live in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra-leftism

My angle of refutation is that I will never cease to be amazed just how idealistic western left is. I suspect this largely stems from the fact that there is very little actual organizing happening, and most people are just LARPing being a communist online without having any understanding of the complexities involved in a genuine struggle. It’s always easy to criticize real work other people are doing.

Go read up on the concept of the commanding heights of the economy. Not to mention the fact that the party owns the golden share in all major companies, and has members on the board. You could watch an explanation of how the economy in China actually works here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6E89qUXTX-k

Or even better, actually read a book https://redletterspp.com/products/the-east-is-still-red or two https://1804books.com/products/chinas-great-road would be a new experience for you.