That AI is going to get really racist, really fast, judging by the muck we all saw daily on Reddit.
Trained on 99% reposts
Dumb question for the Lemmy lawyers, if enough redditors joined could a class action lawsuit be filed to be paid for their content… Or is that so outside of the TOS that it’s not worth considering?
Remember the whole “if you aren’t paying for the product, you are the product”?
It wasn’t enough to turn you into a product. Now they also want to turn you into a resource. Farming your comments and posts to feed to an AI model.
What an economy we’ve built.
I wonder why I don’t pay for Lemmy.
The kind of frightening thing is that anyone could start an instance on the Fediverse, collect all the posts and comments coming in as all instances usually do and then use it to do the same thing, and I’m not sure there’s currently anything (legally or otherwise) stopping them.
But at least we have the option to defederate such an instance. If we can find out which ones do it…
I totally understand your perspective, but I approach this from the opposite direction.
From my perspective, there’s no “at least” here. My Lemmy posts are public. I have no control over what is done with them after I post them. I am comfortable with that.
The difference between Reddit and Lemmy is not that one protects privacy and they other doesn’t. NEITHER is a platform for private discussion.
The difference is that with Lemmy, public means PUBLIC. Reddit, Twitter, and Facebook are also “public” in the sense that there can be no expectation of privacy. But they’re “private” in the corporate sense — a single corporate entity retains control of the data. They can, at will, restrict access to that data, without the consent of the users who created it.
And that’s not just theoretical; all of those companies have literally restricted access to content that users meant to be public. People can’t read the Twitter posts that I made with the intention of them being public, because Twitter now requires an account to read posts and comments. Reddit has restricted access to posts I made with the intention of them being public and readily accessible, because they killed apps and integrations, and implemented onerous access control in an attempt to hoard my data.
They altered the terms, and I, for one, got sick of praying that they would not alter them further.
Lemmy is public. You cannot control who can read it, and you cannot control what they do with it. The difference is that with a truly public platform like Lemmy, my data can benefit the whole world, instead of just some corporation.
If you are looking for a platform for private discussion, Matrix is probably it. But even then, the concept of data privacy only makes sense if you trust all the people that ever have access to the data. If I’m in a Matrix room with hundreds of strangers, I wouldn’t consider that “private” either, regardless of the protocol’s encryption.
Bad actors will always have access to the posts I make public. On Lemmy, good actors do, too, and nobody can take that away from us. THAT’S the difference.
W take. I have no problem with my public comments being used as training data for AI as long as they’re public. I just don’t want some shitty private company to hoard them like they fucking own them when they don’t.
so the API thing was over nothing? brilliant
Got to get my data deleted quick.
It is just fooling yourself, we were all robbed by the time Spez setup the paywall.
Quit Reddit.
And that’s why I deleted all my posts and comments before deleting my account. Sure, they could probably go back and restore it if they wanted but, so far, they haven’t.
Glad I landed here on Lemmy.
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Would users licensing their comments and posts help?
It would not. Because when you signed up to Reddit, you accepted their user agreement, which you can read here in full: https://www.redditinc.com/policies/user-agreement-september-25-2023
As you can see in Section 5: Your Content, you have already consented to following:
You retain any ownership rights you have in Your Content, but you grant Reddit the following license to use that Content:
When Your Content is created with or submitted to the Services, you grant us a worldwide, royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive, transferable, and sublicensable license to use, copy, modify, adapt, prepare derivative works of, distribute, store, perform, and display Your Content and any name, username, voice, or likeness provided in connection with Your Content in all media formats and channels now known or later developed anywhere in the world. This license includes the right for us to make Your Content available for syndication, broadcast, distribution, or publication by other companies, organizations, or individuals who partner with Reddit.
Damn just 60 mil??
Like seriously, this must be fake. Add a zero and I’d still find it suspiciously cheap.
They are gonna love it when their chatbot also chooses that man’s dead wife.
There’s gonna be so many bots commenting “Actually…” Followed by the most incorrect information about the topic at hand possible.
Funny, I don’t see anyone saying the AI companies have free right to Reddit’s content.
Can users opt out? Because the content belong to the users
The content belongs to users… they just license it to Reddit, for Reddit to do as it pleases:
