It’s pretty terrifying when you think about the possibilities of deception. And also how throwaway content is going to become. We are going to generate content at a volume orders of magnitude larger than our already current excessive volume, and finding the stuff that has real meaning and a real message is going to be even harder.
Also, artists whose work and styles fed this will be put out of business without ever being paid for their work that was used to train these models. 🫤
I dream of a world where nobody has a job they have to do for money.
That sounds like hell, making money is a blast. If everything was truly equal we would all be living in extreme poverty. Global average income is $9,733 USD per year. I make that in a week, hard pass on that commie bullshit.
Going to work so I can eat and pay rent fucking sucks, what are you talking about? The fact that you even conceptualize economic output as being all about money means you’re missing the point of an economy. Money is a representation of wealth, not wealth itself. You can’t eat money, shelter yourself from the elements with money, cure diseases with money, etc. Having access to goods and services is a blast, but money is nothing more than a mechanism to facilitate trade and the distribution of wealth.
The “commie bullshit” is entirely your contribution. I said nothing at all about making everyone’s income equal. Not within a country and certainly not between regions with wildly different costs of living. I’m talking about actual wealth, actual labor, and the way a society decides who deserves to have access to material wealth.
Let me spell it out for you: when a new technology makes a category of work obsolete, it sounds be a good thing because less work needs to be done to produce the same wealth. It’s like how having a washing machine is great because it saves you from doing many hours of tedious labor with essentially no downside. The reason that doesn’t work at a societal level is because our economic system is designed to funnel 100% of the benefits of labor-saving technology to a parasitic ownership class, leaving the average person poorer as a result. Our economic system is based entirely around scarcity, and introducing just a little bit of abundance breaks it and fucks over people whose labor is no longer needed by denying them access to wealth.
Do you really think it’s reasonable that having less work needing to be done to produce the same wealth should ever make the average person less well off?
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you raise a crazy good point - the amount of data youtube generates is staggering and that includes a high barrier to entry. if sora allows anyone to just cut shit and upload it, we’re going to outpace the rate at which data-free hardware is manufactured.
And we will be stuck in a loop of type of art and culture that is a ouruborus feeding itself without new styles or genuine new art being fed after artists not being recognized and payed and not wanting to give more content to the machine. That dark ages are upon us and we are all singing it’s praise.
We are going to generate content at a volume orders of magnitude larger than our already current excessive volume, and finding the stuff that has real meaning and a real message is going to be even harder.
It could go both ways: similar software could “compress” video (especially AI-generated video) into text prompts that could then re-create it without needing to store it. (Currently, of course, the processing cost would be higher than the storage cost for the raw video—but the scenario in which we’re cranking out excessive amounts of AI-generated content implies that the high processing costs have been eliminated.) That would also have the side effect of making it easier to find and organize videos based on their “meaning”.
If you are concerned about AI making “content” more throwaway, then you are already viewing creative works as something throwaway. Artists make works with meaning, AI doesn’t have a brain, it can’t make things with a meaning. That’s the job of the artist.
So you’re saying the people who write and tweak the prompts to create the output they envisaged don’t deserve to be called artists?
In my mind, AI just lowers the barrier required for people to be able to express what’s in their mind
Correct, they are not artists.
Yeah, I am. Same way “prompt programming” isn’t a thing
We spent decades depicting science fiction AIs as the key to giving humanity true freedom from mandatory labor, and now we’re scared because it can do creative work too? We’ll adapt. We’ll be just fine. A new generation will crop up that will have no issues with AI-generated content. We’re too old to see it like they will. Just like a lot of our parents and grandparents didn’t understand email until they were forced to, while us kids were doing all kinds of things online.
I mean shoot, my parents still argue with me over whether electronic music is even music or not. It’s just gonna be another tool in an artist’s arsenal.
We spent decades depicting science fiction AIs as the key to giving humanity true freedom from mandatory labor
Very few people benefit from automation and AI. Most of us will eventually be replaced by an IA and our only freedom will be to starve (or to rebel, who knows)
People can and have made the same argument about new technology since the dawn of the industrial revolution, but it hasn’t worked out that way. Industrialized countries are synonymous with rich countries. The problem with new technology, both now and then, it’s that the ownership of the means of production always becomes concentrated in the hands of a small class of people who have no interest in sharing their wealth. This far the benefits of technology have trickled down to the masses, but never without hurting a bunch of people in the process precisely because a few people have been allowed to hoard most of the benefits for themselves.
We spent decades depicting science fiction AIs as the key to giving humanity true freedom from mandatory labor
Maybe those stories never make it to the cinema but any time I see AI in a movie the humans do not come out on top.
Utopian science fiction is less popular, but look at Star Trek for example. Commander Data in The Next Generation and the EMH in Voyager provide invaluable help to the crews they work with. Or look at the robot in Interstellar for another example for a possibly portrayal of AI in a mostly dystopian setting. Even the droids in Star Wars would be impossible without very advanced AI (even if that fact isn’t discussed in universe), and a great many droids are shown as being critical to the success of ventures they take part in.
Why would real meaning and messages be harder to find, does AI generated art inherently have less meaning?
Let’s say I wanted to convey the message that oil companies are destroying the environment so , throwing subtlety out the window, come up with an idea of “a vampiric oil baron draining mother nature of oil”, does the picture that is generated from me putting that prompt into an AI generator have any less meaning then if I actually drew it myself?
For all the advances in AI it still lacks intentionality, and always will under these current models, that has to be supplied by the person in the form of a prompt. I’d say that intention is the source of messages and meaning in art. AI just allows people without technical abilities in art to express those intentions, feelings and messages.
Now imagine that 100 oil employees make good looking ai art to show mother nature either sharing the oil with someone to help them in some way, or even make it look like oil is helping remove a cancer or something from herself. 100 different variations of this. How impactful is your message compared to theirs? Will people even see yours?
If anything this was worse under the old system. Making art previously costed a lot of money, you had to pay the artists for their time and money, and better artists cost more. So in the past that oil company could commission 100 top quality artists to make corporate propaganda while a person who cares for the environment but has no money could only make a drawing limited by their own personal technical artistic ability, which could be just stick figures.
This is why “high quality” consumerist and capitalist “art” and branding in the form of advertising is so abundant meanwhile anti-consumerist, anti-capitalist art is rarer, no one’s paying to get it made.
Now any cause, regardless of money, can create at least mid art to get there message across. Those causes can also have way more people behind them then an oil company can reasonably hire
It’s sort of like how the gun changed how power worked. Previously a king could use there resources to pay for a smaller army of well equipped highly trained knights to subjugate a group of people. Then when the gun came training and equipment didn’t matter nearly as much and it became more of a numbers game, and to get those numbers rulers needed to give more power to the masses in order to be able to marshall them for their cause. Those rulers who didn’t got overthrown in revolutions.
So AIs are force multipliers. Got it.
You are correct and it drives people crazy. Just consider, though, that people were saying that the web allowing anyone to publish their views as fact would undermine the averages person’s ability to know what is true. It kind of did.
I don’t have a hot take. I agree with you. But I also think this will change things in ways we don’t fully understand yet.
I can’t speak for everyone, but for me personally, yes I feel like art is less interesting now. Over the past couple years or so I’ve found that I’m less impressed by art that I see online.
I’m not an artist, and I’m not someone who seeks out art to appreciate it. I’m just talking about art that I scroll past on the internet. I find it less interesting now. I assume that it’s all AI generated, and if it’s not, I figure it might as well be. It’s just not interesting to me anymore. The image generated by a prompt is no more interesting or thought provoking than the prompt itself.
Digital art maybe, but real art you can touch, hold and feel? No AI will ever replace that.
Okay so who has the updated Will Smith’s spaghetti video?
I hate this.
Can we get a tldr? Can’t watch a video.
I’ve asked Gemini for a summary and it’s pretty spot on:
This video is about AI generated videos and how they have become very realistic.
The speaker, Marques Brownlee, discusses a new AI model called Sora that can generate videos from text input. He shows examples of videos generated by Sora, including one of a woman walking down a Tokyo street, a car driving up a mountain road, and a litter of puppies playing in the snow. He points out that these videos are still not perfect, but they are much better than what was possible just a year ago.
He discusses the implications of this technology, both good and bad. On the one hand, it could be used to create fake videos that could be used to deceive people. On the other hand, it could be used to create stock footage that is more affordable and accessible than ever before. Brownlee concludes by saying that this technology is still in its early stages, but it has the potential to change the world in many ways.
I’ve asked Gemini for a summary
man you’ve post the video and couldn’t even summarize it yourself? talk about laziness huh
Let’s see. Spend several minutes composing a few paragraphs, followed by revising because of errors in composition, spelling,or grammar…or simply spend a few seconds with AI. Work smarter not harder.
Let’s see your summary of the article, then. I can’t help but notice you haven’t included one in your comment.
(Apologies if you were being tongue in cheek.)
That’s amazing. I didn’t know AI can do that. Going to start doing that from now on!
TLDR: a year ago AI video was garbage. Today it’s almost as good as one that would cost a few hundred thousand dollars to pay a human production team to make (according to someone who’s professional work is creating those videos).
It’s not quite there - hands glitch out occasionally. Sometimes animation doesn’t quite line up right (e.g. walking might skip a step) but it’s 99% there and and the improvements over the last 12 months are astounding. That last 1% surely won’t take long to close.
There was a landscape drone video from a helicopter that looked absolutely real.
Note this is not publicly available yet - OpenAI said they are still working on safety features to reduce the risk of it being used to create content that they want no part in.
My jaw is on the floor. It makes typing very difficult.
When do we get to use this? I don’t know what a “Red Team Member” is, but I pay a monthly membership.
Red Team is a hacking term that refers to people who try to sabotage or use the system to create harmful content, as a way to test and discover problems before it is usable by any external users.
That’s inaccurate. Red Team is the guys that test your security from an attacker view point. Red Teams are often contractors hired by companies. The companies are the ones paying to be “hacked”, so they can fix whatever gaping security holes the red Team finds.
At least, that’s usually the definition. If just talking about AI stuff, I’d call those people testers.
I’m really excited for this. This way, converting my favourite webtoons to full blown animations won’t be that difficult (in the sense that it won’t cost millions of dollars). Really exciting times!
Have a look at Blender it is free and open source software which enables you to create 3d animations. You can find tutorials on the Internet.
That requires vastly more work to produce any results at all, to the point that most animation people might want to produce never gets made because the process is far too expensive. Mediocre animation that gets made using AI tools is better then high-quality animation that never gets made at all.
Blender and AI tools both have their place but they’re not interchangeable. And just wait until Blender starts incorporating AI, which it will, because the purpose of something like Blender is to use computers to automate most of the work that would need to be done with previous generations of tools, and AI is just an extension of that. Animation will exist on a continuum from fully handmade artwork to fully machine generated artwork. Unless you think everything should be drawn by hand one frame at a time, you should be happy about everyone being able to produce animation in a way that suits their skill level and the amount of time they have available.
Instead of using robots to replace menial jobs and help humans who have physical labour jobs, they’ve invented a tool that will get rid of all white collar jobs, forcing us all into manual, low paid labour jobs.
Taxes will fall off a cliff and life will get really bad because the state won’t have money to maintain the country. Companies making Ai content won’t be able to sell it because no one can has money to buy it. In general all product sales will fall off a cliff, except for food, and many companies will close, resulting in mass unemployment and eventually collapse of society …
Great job morons!
If AI gets really good, manual labor automation won’t be far behind, as the AI itself will be applied to robotics and AI research.
The only thing of value left will be natural resources.
Sounds like good motivation for the machines to kill us off and keep the resources for themselves
That’s assuming they have that goal. The goal of survival and reproduction exists because of natural selection (those that don’t have that goal simply don’t make it into the next generation, when competing against those that do).
But that doesn’t necessarily apply to AI systems. At least while humans have a say in which systems survive and get developed further, and which ones get scrapped. When humans control the resources, the best way to get a sizable allocation of them is by being useful to humans (or at least making them believe that).
