I’ve been saying this for a decade… I refuse to own an internet connected car…it’s only a matter of time before someone gets into Tesla’s system and makes every Tesla on the planet turn left…
It’s not just Tesla though, it’s all brands and regardless of whether it’s an ICE/PHEV or BEV.
and regardless of whether it’s an ICE/PHEV or BEV.
The only important difference is that older, unconnected ICE cars exist, while older, unconnected EVs don’t. It annoys me that I can’t own an EV because of it.
They do. My Nissan leaf doesn’t have any connection. It’s a 2018.
Tesla has the biggest “network” of connected vehicles, and are hated and despised by many so are a likely first target…
Though you’re right, and I won’t own any internet connected car, regardless of make, model, gender, or method of propulsion. Hell I don’t even drive an Automatic Transmission.
Tesla has the biggest “network” of connected vehicles
No they don’t, their market share of all cars sold globally within the last decade is far from the biggest.
hated and despised by many so are a likely first target
I think this may be a bubble we’re in. The vast majority seems to not really care either positively or negatively about Tesla. It’s just a car to them.
Tesla has the biggest “network” of connected vehicles
No they don’t, their market share of all cars sold globally within the last decade is far from the biggest.
I think I mean they have the largest percentage of their cars that are connected to the same homebase… Like…all of them.
I think I mean they have the largest percentage of their cars that are connected to the same homebase… Like…all of them.
Tesla may have the largest percentage of their own cars connected, but they don’t have the most number of connected cars. That would likely be GM with their 30 year old Onstar service.
Tesla has only sold 8.9 million vehicles over the whole life of the company, while GM has over 12 million Onstar connected cars sold.
Valid point… And yes, Onstar is a huge vulnerability…as is pointed out in every movie where a car gets hacked for one reason or another. ;-)
I’m a ford guy, and in my Mustang, the Sync unit is unplugged, because fuck Sync.
74 million people voted for Trump. They’re the ones.
But they’re also the reason I avoid Tesla’s in traffic… It might be the car, it might be the driver, but it’s a safe bet that something stupid is going to happen.
I share the sentiment, but I prefer disabling the connected features. Physically, if possible.
My son tried to do that in his 2023 Supra…his fucking ignition key stopped working. Apparently they tied a bunch of critical functions through the TCU to make it irreplacable.
Fuckers.
Rip out the lojack and this becomes a non issue real quick.
Rip out the lojack and this becomes a non issue real quick.
That is literally only one vector, so no, ripping it out doesn’t necessarily fix the problem (although it’s a very good idea).
The car itself is often collecting telemetry and reporting it back either via a live mobile link or when you get a service done.
"A car (and its app, if you installed one on your phone) can collect all sorts of data in the background with and without you realizing it. This in turn may be shared for a wide variety of purposes, including advertising and risk-assessment for insurance companies. The list of data collected is long and dependent on the car’s make, model, and trim. But if you look through any car maker’s privacy policy, you’ll see some trends:
Diagnostics data, sometimes referred to as “vehicle health data,” may be used internally for quality assurance, research, recall tracking, service issues, and similar unsurprising car-related purposes. This type of data may also be shared with dealers or repair companies for service. Location information may be collected for emergency services, mapping, and to catalog other environmental information about where a car is operated. Some cars may give you access to the vehicle’s location in the app. Some usage data may be shared or used internally for advertising. Your daily driving or car maintenance habits, alongside location data, is a valuable asset to the targeted advertising ecosystem. All of this data could be shared with law enforcement. Information about your driving habits, sometimes referred to as “Driving data” or “Driver behavior information,” may be shared with insurance companies and used to alter your premiums. This can range from odometer readings to braking and acceleration statistics and even data about what time of day you drive.. "https://apnews.com/article/auto-car-privacy-3674ce59c9b30f2861d29178a31e6ab7
https://www.gadgetreview.com/federal-surveillance-tech-becomes-mandatory-in-new-cars-by-2027
"If you drive a car made in the past five years, chances are it’s collecting reams of data about your driving—things like how quickly you accelerate, how hard you hit the brakes, and how fast you turn corners.
But many people don’t know that this data is being amassed—much less where it goes or how it’s used. "
US-centric links, but the info is broadly true for most western countries.
A car that requires an app is only marginally less crazy than a WiFi-enabled toilet (which exist unfortunately). The owner becomes the lojack in that case.
Not much to do about data being downloaded during a trip to the dealer. Some few vehicles have an aftermarket option of replacing the oem computer with a “dumber” version that works like old car computers did, which is to say it only has what’s needed for function and general diagnostics. That won’t be useful for most of us unless popularity explodes for such devices and they expand the range.
Source?
Some few vehicles have an aftermarket option of replacing the oem computer with a “dumber” version that works like old car computers did, which is to say it only has what’s needed for function and general diagnostics.
Which makes/models are those?
