• SorteKanin@feddit.dk
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    9 hours ago

    Someone on Twitter is saying that the username for the fridges was “admin” and that the password was the current date… Prime security in effect here, clearly /s

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      17 hours ago

      Controls have to be put somewhere, and networked interfaces mean fewer physical controls that may be difficult to access, tampered with or fail. Having a standard control protocol means interfaces can be changed and improved without modifying the hardware. They’re not a bad thing.

      However, having networked controls exposed on anything other than private, air-gapped, wired-only LANs seems rather foolish, to me.

    • helpImTrappedOnline@lemmy.world
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      17 hours ago

      Speculation to your question, for monitoring and control.

      For monitoring, log temperatures and send error message if it gets too high. Data could be used if any legal question come up about food spoilage.

      For control, I’m guessing there’s times you want to shut it off or enable/disable defrost. Easier to do that at a computer than have controls that are either a pain inthe ass to get to, or too easy for some moron to mess with.

      That being said, it should be on a local network and have no access to the internet. However a chain store would probably want the data sent to HQ, so the computer would need to be on the network.

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    21 hours ago

    Idiot design and engineering for the sake of cheep managers. Same reason they are taking all the air gaps out of critical infrastructure. Instead of having Internet connected monitoring separate from the controls like a normal person, they hook controllers to the Internet too, so they don’t have to pay a technician to come in.

    For added stupidity, the department at my job which has monitors and controls online just caused a number of techs who only do monitor and control to retire by making them return to work in office.

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      17 hours ago

      But you can whittle down your labor costs to a single untrained guy monitoring by notifications in the closet they converted to the IT room.

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    18 hours ago

    2010s - We made everything smart, networked, and IOT!

    2015-2025 - We need you to put your personal details into everything, everywhere, all the time!

    2026-??? - We invented a machine that can hack everything on earth and steal all data for nefarious purposes.

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      See, this is the kind of hack (if that’s what it was) I can get behind. This is a military target of a nation that is currently at war. Fuck up their food supply all day every day.

      But what is described in OP is just shitty.

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      23 hours ago

      Because this way the bill of materials, design work, and labor cost are all higher; and that way the company can earn more money!

      Capitalism is so far detached from what capitalists pretend it’s like. Wealth distribution is so uneven in the U.S. that there’s extremely little incentive to lower costs, even if the business is worse off because of it.

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      20 hours ago

      Because shops don’t want to run hardware on site, so they outsource the hosting of management and monitoring to the cheapest contractor. Unsurprisingly they don’t spend on security.

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    22 hours ago

    Being “smart” and connected to the internet is about to devalue a lot of manufactured goods that have no business being either one of the those things.

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    Attacking a countries food supply and food reserves really seems like a act of war.

    The term “hackers” really downplays the severity of these kinds of cyber attacks IMO. It makes it kind of sound like a teenager in a basement somewhere, as opposed to some foreign state cyber warfare group or something along those lines.

    Also it’s madness that systems like these are connected directly to the internet without read-only permissions implemented. Controls should only be accessible locally on some kind of airgap or local seperate VLAN.

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      The disconnect between how systems “should” be and how they actually are is disappointingly enormous.

      Retailers are surprisingly enough just like consumers and want things to “just work” without caring about security.

      And so they get Internet-connected fridges, and it’s all fine, until the very moment it isn’t.

      I hope this is a learning experience and they beef-up their systems.

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        I hope this is a learning experience and they beef-up their systems

        I hope this is a learning experience and they realize that commercial refrigerators don’t need to have internet access.

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      Please stop with the acts of war or terrorism BS. The article also mentions “in-store pricing powered by electronic shelf labels” so lets not ignore this is about multi-billion companies trying to suck every penny out of our pocket. If these companies design and manufacture and buy stupid hardware that is susceptible to such hacking, they really deserve it. I mean they really do.

      Second, this is a good thing. Systems will be hardened now. You think there would be any other fucking way they would upgrade their security unless something like this happens? Beatings will continue until security improves. This is why even chaotic hackers that cause damage and inconvenience are ultimately a positive force on our IT infrastructure. Think of it as an ecosystem and evolutionary pressure. Free marketplace of security models.

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        Agreed. It’s also a massive jump to call a grocery chain’s fridges a countries ‘food reserves’

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      Also it’s madness that systems like these are connected directly to the internet without read-only permissions implemented.

      Water systems in the US are, too. And they have been hacked.

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      Given the simplicity of this attack and complete disregard for security by the vendor, it is likely to just be a teenager in a basement somewhere

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      I’m sure the admins managing this infra did implement strict permissions… Separate vlans are safe until you find a vulnerability in the switch OS, or find a way to access the admins account.

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    The executives that allowed the system to be built this way belong in prison for the value of the destroyed food. An engineer armload certainly told them this system needed better design and security and was told no by some cheap ass trying to preserve their executive bonus.

    Nothing will ever change until these monsters have personal consequences.

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      I wonder how much money was saved by having someone manage the freezer section, or how much money was earned by not having an empty fridge.

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        19 hours ago

        The management quarterly meeting PowerPoint presentation says x3 more yachts for us.

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    Just wait until some cars get hacked to accelerate as fast as possible because we just had to have telemetry in them for surveillance and profit.

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    I think it’s a funny warning by a good guy. The message is “get your shit together now before an all-out war”.