The US is cooked. China is the new world superpower
To be clear, that’s a good thing. China hasn’t been involved in a war since the Korean War.
Nah, both countries suck
but the Uyghurs
But the Americans have the world’s largest prison-population; but the Americans built a country through slavery; but the Americans are bombing children; but the Americans are fighting amongst themselves and the American empire is in death throes; but the Americans are starting another war; but the Americans are backing a genocide; but the Americans are pedophiles. Jeez America, at what cost? But at what cost?
Cope and Datacenter
But at what cost? U_U
Tibet
There is no actual evidence that anything bad is happening to the Uyghur people, and plenty of evidence that China fixed their terrorism problem the smart way, by building schools and infrastructure and creating economic opportunities.
Except for the satellite footage, watchdog reports, and tiny news coverage that keyed some into it in the first place. Also tiananmen square didn’t happen
Weak
And Tibet
Maybe the USA will be able to get rid of the national traitors who do everything to keep the USA in the great 1930 mind- and technology set. It has vast resources and may even be able to catch up from behind.
We tried that during the Biden administration. Investments in chips, bringing back manufacturing, working on our century of deferred infrastructure projects, beginning to invest in the future with renewable energy and starting to do something with education.
Then the pendulum swung violently the other way. We threw it all away. Then went much further back to a dark time that never existed.
One of the reasons for Chinese success is being able to stick to a plan. How can we compete if every four years a new administration takes a bulldozer to any improvements and focuses on enriching himself and his cronies?
The tendency to swing back and forth between ideologies was for a long time a superpower of democracies. No person was in power long enough to ruin it, that property was reserved for autocracies.
- Now, at the end of American democracy, this once again proves to be the case.
- or, alternatively, at this time in history, technological progress happens so quick that even a few years of democratic instability while an autocracy happens to be stable, are enough to change the power in the world anyway,
The USA ending up in the place it was in post-1945 was because the rest of the world destroyed itself across several decades in two global wars. All the U.S. has to do is take all the geopolitical hotspots, arm each side, set off a war, and then pull back and watch. We are definitely trending in this direction geopolitically between Ukraine, Iran, the respones to each, pending actions in Eastern Europe, Taiwan, all the regional wars across Africa, Venezuela, and potentially Cuba.
None of it will change the situation with China advancing. Even the attempts to gain control over the oil markets and disrupt Iranian output just had China reveal how far they are along with EV adoption and other forms of renewable energy. Even to the point they have so many EVs that they have tried to dump them off on other countries.
The U.S. just has this post-1945 view of itself in the world and it’s not realistic. Much more of a geopolitical bubble similar to how a financial bubble operates.
Invest in academia, get the best new tech.
This is not surprising - the west has some serious university investment to do if it wants to catch up!
There’s much more to it than that. If you invent a brilliant new thing that everyone will want… how are you going to make it at scale, at a price people will pay for it? The cheapest, quickest, most efficient way by far would be to make it in China. Sure, maybe you could build the factory and distribution networks in the west, and maybe persuade investors to let you do that, but China will imitate and undercut you astonishing quickly.
Sorry best we can do is bank bailouts and a depression.
LOL… “Smart people don’t like me,” said Trump. Also, this administration has sped up brain drain like none other (because of stupid, hostile policies — toxic nationalism shit) in our lifetimes.
It’s funny how they poured money into it during the Cold War, but now it’s all grifter startups and shit funding lol
The Chinese play the long game, and play it well. The U.S. is about immediate gain. The future isn’t here, so why worry?
The US and its O&G and car industries absolutely let China become the main manufacturer of batteries and EVs.
Like Exxon, the US knew electrification was the future because of climate change, but tried to dismiss it. China seized the opportunity like a true capitalist, while the US government interefered with the free market to hinder electrification. This has been going on for over 20 years now.
China seized the opportunity like a true capitalist, while the US government interefered with the free market to hinder electrification.
Except that also China interefered with the market, just in a different way
China subsidizes electrification while the US subsidizes fossil fuels. Both interfere, but the US in a way that further accelerates global warming.
Last time I checked, China was the biggest polluter with 30% of CO2 produced against the 12% of US, just saying.
4.2x more people though, not much point in comparing only 1 figure like that without more context.
Ah but you should also check China’s population vs that of the US, that will put things in perspective. Also check if China’s pollution is due to being a manufacturing hub for other countries that might outsource their own manufacturing. You might be surprised. You can’t pay China to pollute for you and then blame China for polluting for you. Also, the US used to sell many ICE cars to China. The US can’t blame China for polluting if the US pushes pollution sources to China. China has been electrifying to push back against those ICE cars from the US. Polluting to produce solar panels is also much cleaner overall than polluting to produce even more pollution sources.
The US is mag dumping into their own foot.
They elected y’all Qaeda and expected to compete with china. No…the ideology you voted into power puts you on footing with Afghanistan.
The US is more or less where China was 100 years ago with the Qing dynasty. The corruption, the distrust of foreigners and intellectuals, the failure to recognize their weaknesses, the reformers who didn’t go anywhere near as far as they needed to and still got shot down and treated with suspicion. The reason China isn’t making the same mistakes now is because they suffered so much in the century of humiliation.
Part of the US’s problem is that people have been so isolated from consequences. If we get overextended from too many wars, so what? If we lose a war we just move on to the next thing. If we fall behind on science because we prioritized religion, so what? If we listen to what some influencer on TikTok says about vaccines instead of to scientists, so what? If people storm the capitol building, so what? No matter what happens, everything will just carry on as normal. Everyone’s just fucking around, not even being able to imagine what finding out will look like. And when there are consequences, they’re always framed on an individual level.
The US and EU are seriously fucked. The energy shortage / prices (LNG) seriously hurt e.g. Germany too.
If we don’t start to massively invest and make economic plans and return to partially planned economy and nationalize shit we’re seriously fucked.
We need especially invest into next gen automation and production and robotics so we can build all the shit people need here not in China.
They’re in rapid technological development cycles that’s reminiscent of the late 20th century USA. Often producing hilariously odd or bad gadgets, which people take as evidence that China sucks. As it’s said when it’s anything not-China, “you have to crack a few eggs to make an omelet”.
As it’s said when it’s anything not-China, “you have to crack a few eggs to make an omelet”.
Cross the river by feeling the stones, as it were
I was telling my husband I’d move to China in a heartbeat. That’s how far we’ve fallen.
Are you of Chinese Han descent?
No? Then you will never get a citizenship. China gave fewer citizenships total than Poland does every year.
I don’t blame them, they don’t need more people. I was just hoping for residency and work privileges. I don’t think my family would go for it anyway. For some reason, their surveillance state is more scary than ours, which is flabbergasting to me.
China always marches forward silently while everywhere else squabbles. Ive been on the “move to china” train since 2024
since 2017 here but I’m a commie
American here, lived in mainland China for ~17 years. It’s nice, as long as you have a good job with a company that sponsors your work visa. Starting your own company and sponsoring your own work visa is also possible but much more involved.
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Biggest problem I saw/had with living there long-term was that you won’t ever have a green card/PR unless you are rich, make a really big salary, or have some special Phd/awards/patents. And once you hit retirement age, you aren’t eligible for a work visa. Even marrying a local Chinese can be difficult to get your PR, depending on circumstances.
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I had heard rumors of a “retirement visa” being discussed by the govt but nothing concrete as far as I know.Last thing China needs is more old people moving in and turning the place into Florida
The only possible achievable competition goal for US in AI is in building skynet. Boiling the oceans to obtain pure fascist oligarchist supremacy over Americans and pro Israel opinion in the world, far more than military targetting or weapons production supremacy advantages.
There is zero chance long term of having the power infrastructure to support AI/datacenters in the US, and zero chance of extending AI into manufacturing dominance. China’s manufacturing supply chain, and abundance instead of tariff scarcity, makes it impossible for them to lose their edge to anyone unfriendly to China. Models that are less than 2 months, and closing, behind, and massive south east asia datacenter development that provides 90% of local frontier US model traffic consumed in China, makes US Oligarchism’s national security pretense a farce.
US is collapsing late stage nazi colonial economy, and geopolitical AI is not even the last bastion to put all eggs in a basket for, it is a direct tool to pillage the US/colonies for oligarchy during accelerated collapse.
When I was a child teachers had us watch black and white footage of people fighting each other for loafes of bread, some anti communist propaganda. It was actually scary to watch, I never forgot about it. Now I’m actually scared that could happen here.
What’s odd is that id allow myself to catch on fire if it meant that the asshole billionaires burned with me. It would be so satisfying if all of their money became toilet paper. All those rich doomsday peppers would be executed by roaming gangs of ex military veterans. That’s my fever dream
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Okay? So does the US. Your point?
USA added coal? Lol…
The US is busy figuring out how to charge a monthly subscription for an AI that summarizes emails. China is making the batteries, solar panels, and drones everyone actually needs. At some point Silicon Valley will announce a breakthrough: a chatbot that explains why manufacturing moved overseas.
The US has not only put all their eggs in one basket, they’ve taken out loans against the eggs that those chickens will lay once they’re hatched.
And they’ve promised ostrich eggs, but invested in chicken coops.
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