cross-posted from: https://piefed.social/c/politics@lemmy.world/p/2474069/ice-is-reportedly-using-a-palantir-database-to-compile-dossiers-on-protestors-engadget

An attorney representing protestors said this infringes on First Amendment rights.

  • athatet@lemmy.zip
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    Right: I want to kill trans people

    Left: I want me and friends to be left alone

    You: can’t we come to some sort of compromise?

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      I’m not calling for agreement or moderation, pointing out people have taken sides and there’s less of the enlightened centrists calling for compromise between genocide and just wanting to live.

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      Left: I want my trans daughter to dunk on your bio daughter.

      At least be honest. And I am on the left but don’t act like the case is literally just let us live our lives vs trans extinction.

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        At some point in your attempt to defend rapists and attack trans people, you are going to have to reckon with the fact that you are not a leftist or anywhere leaning left.

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        The problem is no one cares when your daughter gets dunked on by someone else’s cis-daughter. CIS-on-cis injuries in women’s sports are ubiquitous. If youre XX and still built like a brick wall, (the same mold as our women firefighters) then you’re just a ringer.

        No, they’re worried about trans athletes and their potential for harm, even though there’s about ten such athletes throughout the US, and the instances involving injuries are about a handful.

        And similarly no one cares about the severe (life-changing) TBI machine that is full-contact gridiron football, varsity, college and professional. Then we revel in the blood and profits.

        The trans issue is pure right wing propaganda, and essentially just a means for MAGAs to signal their presence to their fellow cultists.

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          Yeah if your argument is Americans have an unhealthy connection with sports for sure I agree.

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            It’s not unique to Americans. Many countries have an unhealthy relationship with FIFA, although gridiron football is only slightly short of gladiatorial blood sports. (It doesn’t kill participants, only reduces them to a shell of their former selves.) German football hooliganism is notorious.

            I can’t speak for rugby or hockey, which also look dangerous but don’t have leagues as powerful as NFL.

            Also the US has boxing and mixed-martial-arts cage matches. I don’t know if those have near-equivalents outside America.

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        yout last comments before this were saying that a girl in a comic explicitly about rape wasnt being raped bro shut the fuck up with the trans panic agenda nazi troll

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        The issue with this argument is HRT in trans women after 2 years reduces muscle and bone density down to the levels within the average ranges of cis women… Removing the “biological advantage”. This is widely studied and recognised in science, and it’s not even new science…

        It’s the constant intake of the higher testosterone levels that causes the increased baseline strength which lowers as the hormone does. HRT for Trans Women includes both Androgen blockers (blocks testosterone) and estrogen to fill its place. Hence “hormone replacement therapy”

        I’d say it’s less “being honest” and more than most people are ignorant (accidentally or maliciously) to just how much HRT affects the body and how it affects the body… Just like how trans men significantly gain baseline strength over 1-2 years into HRT

        Which is exactly why sports organisations like the Olympics (before Trump pressured them to drop trans people) required a set amount of time of HRT medical history and blood tests to check hormone levels are in average cis women ranges to allow trans people to take part.

        But if you believe the people on the right demanding the erasure of trans people, you’d assume it’s just “men with the biological advantages dunking on women” while ignoring all effects the body undergoes. Which then allows the constant attacking of trans people for simply existing (even though majority trans people aren’t even trying to get into professional sports… But that doesn’t make for a “good” news story or political point scoring when fighting to demonise trans people…)

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          The argument is that people are allowed to make fun of each other. That’s freedom of speech and they can suck on that.

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            But we’re not talking about “making fun of people” - which also isn’t the same as the active demonisation, villanisation and sometimes even dehumanisation of trans people, especially from the media and in politics, rather the topic is about laws actively being made against an entire demographic of people.

            And freedom of speech is protection against being arrested for your speech. It’s not relevant since no one here has suggested anyone be arrested for it.

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          It’s not really a professional sports thing it’s an amateur sports thing. We really just need to allow PEDs in sports at this point. People should be free to put whatever they want in their own bodies to enhance their performance and it would get rid of this whole argument overnight. That and having gendered sports classes is a bit sexist in its own right since gender is only a social construct.

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        I personally and explicitly do not want my trans daughter anywhere near you or your family. Regardless of if you are ‘on the left’ or not.

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        lol that’s all you got? Isn’t your word for crying about being made fun of “snowflake”? Fuck off.