• percent@infosec.pub
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    6 days ago

    If they had put even some minor checks on the reasoning traces

    I heard that’s not really possible (or maybe just less so) with their new gen Astra model as it doesn’t use human-readable text for reasoning. I haven’t looked into it yet, but I remember the word “neuralese” mentioned.

    • the_wonderfool@piefed.social
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      5 days ago

      Thanks for pointing that out, I have not read about it. I guess it’s something in the line of HRM or latent reasoning, or even next latent prediction… Whatever it is, I would highly suspect that it collapses to a “normal” reasoning trace (the leaked reasoning traces for previous models already show “caveman” speaking), just more difficult for a human to read (but not impossible).

      That’s because, given the amount of data they have for reasoning traces, it would be very hard for them to train a completely different architecture - they would have to produce an equivalent amount of data.

      Lastly, I take everything they say with a big dose of skepticism. I still have not forgotten all they hype around o1, and how it was a completely different architecture etc., only for DeepSeek to come out and prove that it was the same model, just specifically trained for CoT.