A while back I saw a thread in a piracy community that was cheering some other lawsuit against an AI company for similar reasons, so I wouldn’t bet. The anti-AI sentiment is quite strong in these parts.
Why not? These laws exist the make the rich more money; if the interests of the rich people trying to make money change it’s very possible for the law to change to match that.
We are talking about “Property” - the core foundation of Capitalism. The holy grail of exploitation. Everything in this manufactured belief-system must have an owner and a price, and that price can only be forced upon others with ‘property-rights’ + top-down force (acab’s).
So, just about everything in our sick western fascist/oligarch societies is centered around ‘Property’ and the ideological right and moral duty to maximise profits from that property -> extortion.
The balance might shift slightly/temporarily if a huge cnt are fighting other huge cnt’s, but will NOT go away as long as Capitalism is the sole driver of western societies. Maximum property-rights are the steaming turd every Capitalist cnt are eating/craving.
More infighting is imho better as it slows down this pscho ideology…
You lost all reasonable people at “acab’s”. No one will ever meaningfully rally behind your movement as long as you spread braindead takes like these. It’s poisonous for the left to be affiliated with you.
Because there’s more money to be made in keeping it than walking it back. I could see them making some kind of shitty carve out for the AI companies that they have to pay into I guess but nothing that would benefit the average person.
This isn’t a question of “walking it back”, though. There was never anything in copyright law that prohibited analyzing a copyrighted work before. This is an attempt to extend it.
Meta literally torrented 82TB of pirated material off anna’s archive and similar sources they’re not just “analyzing” things they paid for. Not to mention the various terms of use stating that content can’t be used to train off of that they violate as they scrape the whole web.
And so, exactly as I predicted, we’ve got commenters coming out to defend the poor innocent copyright cartels against those awful people pirating their stuff. Violating sacred EULAs, even, what monsters.
If I could get rid of both of them I would but I can’t so I don’t think it’s unreasonable have them go after the companies burning the planet to make the worst slop imaginable instead of people writing switch emulators or whatever. “Violating those sacred EULAs” causes the very site I’m posting this from to fight a constant game of cat and mouse with the bots trying to scrape it.
That’s not how this works though, hoping the law to just punishes people you don’t like without regard for what they are being punished for is madness.
If Anthropic lose this they’ll shrug pay a fee to licence things out of the untold billions they have available to them from credulous investors, and everyone else will have lost the right to do whatever they want with a copyrighted work without the publisher’s permission. That people who consider themselves progressive think that’s a win boggles my mind.
And now watch everyone cheer for Sony and Warner to succeed in their lawsuits to extend the grip of copyright. What a timeline.
Nah, people are not THAT stupid.
A while back I saw a thread in a piracy community that was cheering some other lawsuit against an AI company for similar reasons, so I wouldn’t bet. The anti-AI sentiment is quite strong in these parts.
They’re not going to walk back copyright law so I’ll take these rapacious AI companies being held a little closer to the same standard that we are.
Why not? These laws exist the make the rich more money; if the interests of the rich people trying to make money change it’s very possible for the law to change to match that.
We are talking about “Property” - the core foundation of Capitalism. The holy grail of exploitation. Everything in this manufactured belief-system must have an owner and a price, and that price can only be forced upon others with ‘property-rights’ + top-down force (acab’s).
So, just about everything in our sick western fascist/oligarch societies is centered around ‘Property’ and the ideological right and moral duty to maximise profits from that property -> extortion.
The balance might shift slightly/temporarily if a huge cnt are fighting other huge cnt’s, but will NOT go away as long as Capitalism is the sole driver of western societies. Maximum property-rights are the steaming turd every Capitalist cnt are eating/craving.
More infighting is imho better as it slows down this pscho ideology…
You lost all reasonable people at “acab’s”. No one will ever meaningfully rally behind your movement as long as you spread braindead takes like these. It’s poisonous for the left to be affiliated with you.
Because there’s more money to be made in keeping it than walking it back. I could see them making some kind of shitty carve out for the AI companies that they have to pay into I guess but nothing that would benefit the average person.
This isn’t a question of “walking it back”, though. There was never anything in copyright law that prohibited analyzing a copyrighted work before. This is an attempt to extend it.
Meta literally torrented 82TB of pirated material off anna’s archive and similar sources they’re not just “analyzing” things they paid for. Not to mention the various terms of use stating that content can’t be used to train off of that they violate as they scrape the whole web.
And so, exactly as I predicted, we’ve got commenters coming out to defend the poor innocent copyright cartels against those awful people pirating their stuff. Violating sacred EULAs, even, what monsters.
If I could get rid of both of them I would but I can’t so I don’t think it’s unreasonable have them go after the companies burning the planet to make the worst slop imaginable instead of people writing switch emulators or whatever. “Violating those sacred EULAs” causes the very site I’m posting this from to fight a constant game of cat and mouse with the bots trying to scrape it.
That’s not how this works though, hoping the law to just punishes people you don’t like without regard for what they are being punished for is madness.
If Anthropic lose this they’ll shrug pay a fee to licence things out of the untold billions they have available to them from credulous investors, and everyone else will have lost the right to do whatever they want with a copyrighted work without the publisher’s permission. That people who consider themselves progressive think that’s a win boggles my mind.