That’s what I think. EVs aren’t functionally equivalent to ICE cars yet - most of them can’t go as far between fillups, and they take longer to fill up. Those are steadily improving. But the cost benefits are there. Back in 2013 when I bought my Leaf I went from spending $1800/year on gas to $300/year on electricity, and in 12 years my only maintenance costs were windshield wiper blades and a set of tires - which I would have needed with a gas car. But no oil changes, tuneups, no filters, belts or hoses, no spark plugs. No radiator problems, starter problems, pump replacements. I mean it’s almost like not having a car at all, except you have a car.
My only gripe with EVs is repairability, and the inevitable enshittification of their software, and all the issue that spun from it, like ads and what not. Heck we can’t even have a decent “open source” friendly phone, let alone EV. This will become a major issue unless well regulated and I hope the EU steps up. I wish we can have a mechanical, open-source EV.
The difference is (as long as its not self-driving) EVs are stupidly simple devices. They have less technology than smart phones. It would be great to have regulation to force standardization and open-source firmware, but genuinely we already have plenty of software and controllers capable of fully handling any EV, VESC being the most popular example of this.
And yes that controller both handles electric aircraft and RC cars. Because EVs don’t really differ from the model scale to the extremely large scale.
I think the problems tend to be overplayed. For most people the BEV is as good as the ICE vehicle. They have a range in excess of 300km with most above 400km, further for city driving. Charging is at night so it is only those longer trips where charging is more inconvenient. I’ve modified my hasty lifestyle a bit to actually enjoy a coffee while charging on those few trips to the big smoke.
By the time a battery pack will die (outside of warranty), you will have paid for on an ICE car (according to manufacturer recommendations and warranty):
35 oil changes
At least 2x drive belt
At least 2x transmission fluid replacement
At least 2x full vehicle brakepad/rotor sets
At least 7 fuel filters
At least 1 fuel pump
At least 1 alternator
At least 2x timing belt
At least 2x water pumps
Assuming you have the capability to do all that yourself, and the tools, that’s still more than the difference in cost for purchase price of the ev vs ice vehicle.
Add in the fact electricity will always be cheaper than the same amount of fuel, and you easily save more than enough for the next battery pack that’ll last another 8 years or 175k miles.
That’s what I think. EVs aren’t functionally equivalent to ICE cars yet - most of them can’t go as far between fillups, and they take longer to fill up. Those are steadily improving. But the cost benefits are there. Back in 2013 when I bought my Leaf I went from spending $1800/year on gas to $300/year on electricity, and in 12 years my only maintenance costs were windshield wiper blades and a set of tires - which I would have needed with a gas car. But no oil changes, tuneups, no filters, belts or hoses, no spark plugs. No radiator problems, starter problems, pump replacements. I mean it’s almost like not having a car at all, except you have a car.
My only gripe with EVs is repairability, and the inevitable enshittification of their software, and all the issue that spun from it, like ads and what not. Heck we can’t even have a decent “open source” friendly phone, let alone EV. This will become a major issue unless well regulated and I hope the EU steps up. I wish we can have a mechanical, open-source EV.
I had my 2013 Leaf for 12 years and nothing got enshittified, if that’s any comfort.
The difference is (as long as its not self-driving) EVs are stupidly simple devices. They have less technology than smart phones. It would be great to have regulation to force standardization and open-source firmware, but genuinely we already have plenty of software and controllers capable of fully handling any EV, VESC being the most popular example of this.
And yes that controller both handles electric aircraft and RC cars. Because EVs don’t really differ from the model scale to the extremely large scale.
I think the problems tend to be overplayed. For most people the BEV is as good as the ICE vehicle. They have a range in excess of 300km with most above 400km, further for city driving. Charging is at night so it is only those longer trips where charging is more inconvenient. I’ve modified my hasty lifestyle a bit to actually enjoy a coffee while charging on those few trips to the big smoke.
Default assumptions of home ownership
Sadly you do need somewhere to plug it in.
That sounds like a success story. Wait til you hear about your battery died one week after the warranty expired … Fun times
By the time a battery pack will die (outside of warranty), you will have paid for on an ICE car (according to manufacturer recommendations and warranty):
35 oil changes
At least 2x drive belt
At least 2x transmission fluid replacement
At least 2x full vehicle brakepad/rotor sets
At least 7 fuel filters
At least 1 fuel pump
At least 1 alternator
At least 2x timing belt
At least 2x water pumps
Assuming you have the capability to do all that yourself, and the tools, that’s still more than the difference in cost for purchase price of the ev vs ice vehicle.
Add in the fact electricity will always be cheaper than the same amount of fuel, and you easily save more than enough for the next battery pack that’ll last another 8 years or 175k miles.
He saved more money than the battery replacement will cost.
Is your usual source for things pulling them out of your arse?