I mean, being against AI is not really a long-term solution. It’s just pushing the can further down the road. Eventually, a lot of jobs will be lost anyways, due to conventional automation that has already happened the last 200 years. Progress is not an infinite story. It brings us from A to B and once we’re there, it’s the end of progress. Without progress, there are very few jobs, and there’s absolutely no way that there’ll be enough jobs for everybody in 30 years from now, AI or no AI. i don’t see the protests against AI changing anything at all about that, even if they were effective (which they are very clearly not btw).
Really we need to find a way to organize society around something else than perpetual work. Only then can we find peace. I propose formulating laws around a society using universal basic income or some equivalent thereof (such as universal basic services). Just write a proposal for these laws, because only once there are meaningful proposals, we can actually demand politicians to implement them. So just start thinking about it now. The sooner, the better.
The people driving AI are the kind of people that have amassed hundreds of billions while paying their workers as little as possible.
Do you really think they will work towards a universal basic income?
They’re even admitting it. Sam Altman was saying something like “yeah big disruption is coming and society will have to find a way to deal with it”. In other words “I’ll profit but good luck with your fucked up society, no help from me there”.
All of this sounds delusional, neither the corporations nor the government care about their people. the jobless will be bulldozed like the people in gaza and lebanon, the kind of necropolitics that have been happening in the global south for decades are coming for the west.
I don’t think people have a problem with progress as a concept, but the AI shift is a major hit on the job market and therefore the economy and governments are failing the people. Not only that but the replacements are subpar and generally make things worse and add a huge amount of technical debt. People are losing livelihoods in a system that doesn’t care for them and hasn’t cared for them in ages, and it’s all decided by business suits that fall for weak marketing.
well, i’d go as far as to say that the reason why politicians haven’t cared about people in ages is because there was no reason to care for people. if you treat people badly and make sure that they’re stuck in a miserable position, that makes it more likely that they’ll take on crippling jobs and bad working conditions. if there are no jobs to be done in the first place, then that just means that you don’t have a reason to keep the people in these miserable conditions anymore.
if there are no jobs to be done in the first place, then that just means that you don’t have a reason to keep the people in these miserable conditions anymore.
so you are saying, if people are not being kept, then they would die? like a pet that can’t care for itself? do you think that people are that dependent on government to provide for them? are you not an anarchist?
I rarely engage but you misunderstood my comment so much i felt compelled. I just mean that once everything is automated and there are no jobs left, there will be no reason for the ruling/owner class to keep the peasant/working class around at all. What self-respecting oligarch wants to mar their view with the smelly, shambling masses when they can have an uncomplaining robot butler bring them anything they want?
I mean, being against AI is not really a long-term solution. It’s just pushing the can further down the road. Eventually, a lot of jobs will be lost anyways, due to conventional automation that has already happened the last 200 years. Progress is not an infinite story. It brings us from A to B and once we’re there, it’s the end of progress. Without progress, there are very few jobs, and there’s absolutely no way that there’ll be enough jobs for everybody in 30 years from now, AI or no AI. i don’t see the protests against AI changing anything at all about that, even if they were effective (which they are very clearly not btw).
Really we need to find a way to organize society around something else than perpetual work. Only then can we find peace. I propose formulating laws around a society using universal basic income or some equivalent thereof (such as universal basic services). Just write a proposal for these laws, because only once there are meaningful proposals, we can actually demand politicians to implement them. So just start thinking about it now. The sooner, the better.
The people driving AI are the kind of people that have amassed hundreds of billions while paying their workers as little as possible.
Do you really think they will work towards a universal basic income?
They’re even admitting it. Sam Altman was saying something like “yeah big disruption is coming and society will have to find a way to deal with it”. In other words “I’ll profit but good luck with your fucked up society, no help from me there”.
probably, if we let it simmer for a few more years. an UBI would actually be good for the economy. they’re “growth-oriented” (greedy), not stupid.
All of this sounds delusional, neither the corporations nor the government care about their people. the jobless will be bulldozed like the people in gaza and lebanon, the kind of necropolitics that have been happening in the global south for decades are coming for the west.
I don’t think people have a problem with progress as a concept, but the AI shift is a major hit on the job market and therefore the economy and governments are failing the people. Not only that but the replacements are subpar and generally make things worse and add a huge amount of technical debt. People are losing livelihoods in a system that doesn’t care for them and hasn’t cared for them in ages, and it’s all decided by business suits that fall for weak marketing.
well, i’d go as far as to say that the reason why politicians haven’t cared about people in ages is because there was no reason to care for people. if you treat people badly and make sure that they’re stuck in a miserable position, that makes it more likely that they’ll take on crippling jobs and bad working conditions. if there are no jobs to be done in the first place, then that just means that you don’t have a reason to keep the people in these miserable conditions anymore.
FTFY
so you are saying, if people are not being kept, then they would die? like a pet that can’t care for itself? do you think that people are that dependent on government to provide for them? are you not an anarchist?
I rarely engage but you misunderstood my comment so much i felt compelled. I just mean that once everything is automated and there are no jobs left, there will be no reason for the ruling/owner class to keep the peasant/working class around at all. What self-respecting oligarch wants to mar their view with the smelly, shambling masses when they can have an uncomplaining robot butler bring them anything they want?