When women riders and drivers told us they wanted more control over how they ride and earn, we listened. That feedback led to Women Preferences, features designed to give women the choice to ride with other women. Since our first pilots last summer, we’ve heard just how much that choice matters—from feeling more comfortable in the back seat to more confident behind the wheel.

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    Probably gonna get flak for this, but as a man, I have no issues if women want to stick with other women and I don’t particularly care if I have the option to pick whatever driver I want.

    Obviously weirdness and sexual misconduct can occur to both men and women from both men and women, but it’s disingenuous as hell to pretend that men being weird or sexual towards women isn’t the most common by a colossal margin.

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    I don’t necessarily even disagree with this feature but I can’t help but imagine the outrage if that was almost literally any other group of people.

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      I can’t help but I imagine JK Rowling tweeting some day about how she used this feature and was appalled to be driven by a trans-woman.

      A lot of white people are afraid of black people. Should we let people choose their driver by the color of their skin? Their ethnicity? The language they speak? Their sexual orientation? Their religion?

      Discrimination is bad for everyone else, but somehow for men we just say “eh they have it coming”.

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    As a man I also want to select a female driver only. Seriously here in the Netherlands if you get a male driver good chance it’s some agro 20 year old high on NOx who also hates queers. I’m not even queer but I don’t want my money going to cunts like that.

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    Uber doesn’t deserve much credit for this…they’re just streamlining a behaviour that’s already present among their drivers and customers. It’s a business decision.

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    Maybe Uber should be responsible for background checks of their drivers and hold them accountable for their actions and be able to fire them for misconduct. But that might require hiring drivers as actual employees. And then Uber could issue company vehicles.

    Oh wait, I’m describing taxi companies that already existed before Uber.

    The fact that we allow Uber/Lyft to operate as a way to skirt regulations that were put in place to keep people safe, and then trust Uber will implement work around solutions like this is ridiculous.

    Same goes to AirBnB

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      While I agree with this, and I’m not defending skirting regulations, before rideshare apps, taking taxis was an awful experience. At least half the time, if you try to pay with a credit card, the machine was “broken”, if you wanted to get a ride at a specific time you had to call ahead and hope that a taxi would show up.

      Rideshsre apps forced regular taxis to up their game and provide better service, some did and now have their own apps.

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        I don’t even know what regulations they are skirting. You can’t just sign up to become a driver without submitting information just like any other job. Background checks are required, licenses and what not. People are also supposed to leave feedback if they had a bad experience so I could only imagine that the complaints are surrounding the idea that Uber isn’t following up on the feedback enough. That said if 500 people ride with that driver and rate them well, and 1 person says they were a perv, and Uber looks at it and finds that person has called several male drivers pervs while they get good ratings from everyone else, there could be a problem that those people have a type, or Uber could be thinking the issue is the rider at that point

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          Worker regulations mostly. Since drivers aren’t employees, they get no benefits whatsoever.

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    I don’t get why they don’t just make this a global option. Anyone can choose their preferred gender. Some women prefer women, some prefer men. Hell, some men prefer men.

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    can males avoid women drivers or is that considered sexist? what if a male wants to mitigate the chance of being falsely accused of assault/rape? I hope people have the choice regardless of gender

    edit: the downvotes are funny… I assume people think I mean women should not have the choice, but I mean the opposite. EVERYONE should have a choice, or no one. it’s call being fair. rape/sexual assault is not a good scenario for anyone and if people are fearful, they should be allowed to make a choice that allows them to feel comfortable. the downvotes just show me that people are disrespectful/not caring when it comes to fairness and equality. l… or they are just flat out sexist pricks.

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      It might be considered sexist, depending on who you ask.

      The amount of males being falsely accused of sexual assault is much lower than the amount of females being exposed to sexual assault. Hence why there has been provided a measure for women at this scale, and not for men.

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        The amount of males being falsely accused of sexual assault is much lower than the amount of females being exposed to sexual assault.

        And you know this because… vibes?

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      Many women want to ride with other women for safety reasons. Men would only choose their riders gender for bigotry reasons. There is little reason to enable their bigotry. If fewer bigots ride it’s a bug not a feature.

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          How hard is this to understand. Women frequently feel unsafe with strange men in uncontrolled situations like alone in a car because men who are commonly bigger and stronger commonly beat and rape women. Men who are on average bigger and stronger are very rarely assaulted or raped by strange women because women are both less physically imposing and are less prone to violence and most specifically sexual violence. Whereas its not impossible or unheard for a woman to be so this is so uncommon it is rarely something people are reasonably concerned about either factually or culturally.

          Did I really need to tell you any of that or did you in fact already know that. The whiners here do NOT want men to be equal and have the ability to chose men drivers they want women not to have a path to discriminate against them because THEY believe they aren’t the problem. Hell the guys who ARE the problem are also sure they aren’t the problem.

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            nothing about this is hard to understand, I just don’t want to perpetuate hate and inequality, or create division. letting both sexes choose their own sex if they want to wouldn’t leave anyone feeling slighted. its a simple solution that wouldn’t leave anyone room to complain.

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        Citation needed. Back up those claims cuz that’s sounding like pure emotional projection.

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          You need a citation for many women being unsafe with random men in a car but the reverse not being true. OK buddy.

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            Hold on a second. Did you honestly think you were coming across as unemotional when you said that?

            Keep your emotions out of it, I learned to manage that, takes a lot of work but it’s a good skill to have.

            Tell me what facts you think you know that makes you claim 100% of men who would use that feature would be doing it for bigotry reasons.

            You don’t even need to do citations, I’ll go do the research for us.

            The only thing I humbly beg you to tell me is what fact you know that I don’t, I’m not seeing the missing puzzle piece.

            If you know something I’m missing I genuinely want to know, cuz I’m not afraid of changing my mind when proven wrong. I just genuinely think you’re just making some unfair assumptions that’s all. There’s no shame in it, most people do it. But it might surprise you to learn that a lot of people would rather die than be wrong about something.

            Don’t get mad at me. TALK to me.

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    unless you’ve actually literally lived as a woman you cannot know the monumental amount of sexual harassment we face and fear on a day-to-day basis. doubly so for trans women. every single moment i am alone in public i am deathly anxious that i could be harassed (sexually or otherwise) or hate-crimed or whatever. and the worst part is, there’s nothing i could do about it. the perpetrator would get away scot-free. the cops do not fucking care

    however bad you think it is, it’s worse. whatever you’re imagining, it is exponentially more horrendous

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      This is the thing as a former white man.

      Authority to touch others flows down the privilege hierarchy.

      Trans women are always judged as the aggressor, always. Our bodies are considered public property.

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    I don’t think anyone worth listening about anything would find this problematic. It ain’t women casually raping and killing, we all know that.

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      The vast majority of sexual assault is by people who know the victim, not random strangers. This is Uber trying to capitalize on fear to sell a more “premium” product they will inevitably charge more for, not actually helping anyone.

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        Whilst this is most likely true, I still think it’ll provide many anxious women some peace of mind and that might be enough.

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          I’m sure a lot of anxious Nazi’s got a lot of peace of mind in the early 1940’s too.

          I sure a lot of anxipis transphobes got a lot of peace of mind when Trump banned trans people from military service.

          Giving anxious people peace of mind it’s the point of segregation. That doesn’t make it right or good.

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      I don’t find this problematic, but umm… I’m just going to leave this here. And while I’m here, why not this… Oh, and this. And umm… this.

      Men are statistically way more likely to commit violent and sexual crimes than women (i’m guessing but p sure), sure but um… Would you say “It ain’t white people who are casually killing each other’s gang members”? Gang violence is statistically more likely for people of some races… But would you say that’s a fair statement? And how is it different from your statement?

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        That’s like 4 people, man, come on. Also, it is DRASTICALLY different, because the differences between the sexes are well documented and easily seen, what are the racial differences that cannot be explained by culture that result in some ethnicities being more dangerous than others? 🤔

        Women have to be protected by men FROM other men, across cultures and time. Be real.

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          That’s like 4 people, man, come on.

          Yeah, it’s 4 people. What’s your point?

          what are the racial differences that cannot be explained by culture that result in some ethnicities being more dangerous than others?

          Great question. As a latino I have dark skin and brown hair and am therefore better at hiding in the shadows. It’s easier for someone to trip with me in the dark if I’m passed out drunk on the floor, possibly causing innocent people injury. This is a serious risk to society and we should be considered dangerous, especially in situations that involve alcohol.

          Tomen have to be protected by men FROM other men

          Yes, that’s what men are for. We protect from the other -worse- men and whatever it is their women are telling them they need to do and they’ll fucking blindly do it cause yes we’re that dumb.

          But also, can we agree we all have to be protected from assholes and ill meaning people, both women and men. Are bad people usually men? Idk maybe. Physical violence-wise, probably, tbh. Are all assholes men though? No, and I can give you at least 4 examples that prove this, but also, the ways that women with bad intentions get what they want is blatantly obvious to anyone who has met one. They get men to do their dirty work for them. Fell free to ask me for a paper or study on this.

          Can’t we just speak of people who do horrible things instead of blanket scapegoating a <demographic>?

          And you might say men created the system and men traumatize other men which causes more men to be violent and compete with other men to hurt more women and men… But the weird thing about causality and attribution is that it isn’t a linear path and the story ends wherever you arbitrarily choose it does.

          Who were these men raised by? Who are more often than not the partners of these horrible men that allow them to commit their atrocities? If us men are all savages that will never have any sense of morality and are doomed to commit one atrocity after another, surely it’s the responsibility of the humans that aren’t monsters to reduce the harm we inevitably cause by existing. And what do women do in the face of this situation? Keep having sex with and producing more men. Thanks a lot, women… Thanks for not only having sex with the parents of the dudes that bullied me in high school, but also literally bringing them to this world and raising them with evil woman influence that brainwashed them into traumatizing me.

          Ok so maybe I went just a little bit overboard but surely you understand my point. Can we not just talk about individuals that do horrible things? Cause if the problem is “men exist”, the solution is easy. Women should just stop having sex with us. No more men. Problem solved in 1 generation. If you wanna be faster you could do like the 4 ladies I linked though.

          Wow, you got here? I’m surprised… and flattered tbh. thanks for reading and feel free to somehow imply me having a penis reduces my value as a human being.

          For real, though. I’m sorry for all the horrible men. And sure, I might be am an idiot and have opinions you find repulsive, but I know I’m not the only one genuinely doing the best I can to make the world nicer.

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    Awesome, but they should also give men the option to choose to ride with a man.

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    These fucking comments. Anytime anything is done to make women safer men get up in arms and upset. “What about me?” cries the incel.