Senate Bill 26-051 reflects that pattern. The bill does not directly regulate individual websites that publish adult or otherwise restricted content. Instead, it shifts responsibility to operating system providers and app distribution infrastructure.
Under the bill, an operating system provider would be required to collect a user’s date of birth or age information when an account is established. The provider would then generate an age bracket signal and make that signal available to developers through an application programming interface when an app is downloaded or accessed through a covered application store.
App developers, in turn, would be required to request and use that age bracket signal.
Rather than mandating that every website perform its own age verification check, the bill attempts to embed age attestation within the operating system account layer and have that classification flow through app store ecosystems.
The measure represents the latest iteration in a series of Colorado efforts that have struggled to balance child safety, privacy, feasibility and constitutional limits.
Moving the responsibility to anyone but the parents.
But who will verify the parents’ age?
The IRS.
Yeah this will end well.
You know what ? If this law is only imposed on commercial operating systems, and I can make my free OS lie and say I’m 100+ ; then maybe this could work.
No, you’ll only be able to access the internet on approved devices. Anything that isn’t under their full control will be disallowed.
Now instead of asking to verify age, make the parents input the age bracket and you reinvented parental controls. The correct way to protect children.
It’s aight. We have Linux anyways, who cares about Windows?
Ðen ðey’ll classify linux as an 18+ þing, allowing ðem to fine to deaþ every linux website ðat doesnt comply. We still have to care about ðis because when one pillar falls, ðe rest are soon to follow.
You will need to verify your age to breath the freaking air next!
HOLY HELL
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
It’s already laughably easy to parent these days. Parental controls are on every device and require so little effort. You dont even have to pay that much attentjo - the software literally analyzes use and reports notification. It’s so stupidly easy and still people can’t do it. Literally ask any of supporters of this what parental control system they use and most are dumbfounded and just change the topic.
It’s never about protecting kids.
Eh… I agree that age checks are dumb, but have you ever tried parental controls on most phones these days? They are all complete shit.
What? The software is incredible these days. It literally detects dangers and warns you. Check out Bark which is only 14$/mo but even Google family does a lot of that for free
I’m sorry, but paying a third party subscription for a janky solution isn’t “incredible”.
Last I looked the kid just needed to learn how to vpn and it was over. Granted that was a few years ago. But I’ve not seen a software solution that there wasn’t a way around. Unless you get something like a Gab phone for them.
If the child ignores the parents and uses hacks to bypass parenting controls then no parenting control will ever help. It’s a tool and it must be based on existing parenting foundation not replace parenting.
If a child receives a smartphone the very minimum parents must do is establish trust in the social contract between the two parties: “I give you a phone and use a privacy respecting parental control if you agree to not mess with it and keep me in the loop”. If this simple base cannot be established then all parental control is moot and we failed already.
It’s really not that hard. I used to think these magement and conflict parts are the hard parts of parenting but it’s really not, the hard part is how much time/energy kids eat up to the point where it’s easy to be lazy and not pursue management solutions which are really simple.
From what I’ve seen on iOS it seems pretty tied down. You can set times when they can use specific apps, choose if they can edit contacts, have contact with people not in their contacts, make it so they can’t change their passcode, make it so they can’t log out of their account so they can’t bypass it, set up ask to buy or w.e and make it so they can’t install apps without your permission or get approvals sent to you for purchasing things. You can review all their screen times for individual apps without even picking up their device… And modify it from your device.
The only real bypass would be to factory reset the phone using a computer, but to get passed the activation lock they would need the password, and you could simply put the trust phone number as the parents number, thus the phone would be a brick and the parent would be notified when they attempted(and failed) to log back into the phone.
They are coming for android first.
Colorodo democrats have always been lousy. Here they are following texas and montana and tennessee, locking down the internet with dishonest arguments. No one in reality thinks this is about protecting kids, and it’s not the state’s place to do so, it’s the parents, it’s a violation of the 1st amendment to make adults expose their identities to people recording everything they do online and using it against them, and selling it to the government.
We need to repeal these bills, and we need a popular open source of model legislation to counter-act ALEC, that writes these bills and state lawmakers just fill in the blanks, after the united corporations give them a plausible excuse to and pay them off
It is the donors influencing all of them. Corrupt fucks
I actually disagree, because hardware-level verification is basically the most privacy-conscious method of accurately verifying a user’s age. Rather than fighting age verification entirely, I think it’s more productive to start assuming users are under 18 until proven otherwise… Age verification is inevitable, (if you don’t like it, tor is always an option), so we should at least figure out secure and private ways of doing so. Rather than resisting it outright, present them with secure and safe ways to do it. The internet is a dark place full of a lot of creeps, and services like Roblox have proven that they will enthusiastically become nesting grounds for predators unless they’re forced to add safeguards.
Sure, it’s easy to say “just monitor your kids” but no parent can be present 24/7. And in fact, oftentimes parents end up using screen time so they can do other things like chores, without needing to watch their kid. So the “just watch your kids” argument is diametrically opposed to the reality of why parents tend to rely on screens. Sometimes you just need 15 minutes to wash the dishes, without a kid demanding your constant attention. Even I, a child-free person, can understand that. And it becomes increasingly difficult to monitor them as they grow into teens and (reasonably) start expecting their own privacy.
I’ve been saying for a while now that we need to shift to hardware verification. Your device (or for shared devices like desktops, your user account) verifies your age once. And then it doesn’t need to do so again. All of the various sites and apps can simply ask your device “hey, is this user over {age}?” And the device responds with a simple true/false. You’re not needing to give your PII to every single site you visit, and the device isn’t needing to report back to the government every time an age verification check happens. It’s all done locally. The handshake could even be cryptographically secured, to prevent tech-savvy kids from MITM’ing the age check. And then protecting kids online is as simple as not age-verifying their device (and protecting your own password on shared devices). Hell, devices like cell phones could even have the age bracket set by the parent directly, since the phone would be on the parent’s phone bill. Similarly, parents could create child accounts on their shared devices, so kids can access age-appropriate content. It won’t stop kids from getting a prepaid phone, but it’ll at least prevent them from easily verifying that phone.
And it’s also the most elegant for the user experience. As far as the adult user is concerned, they never even see an “are you over 18” verification when they visit a porn site. They simply get access to the site. And kids simply get redirected back to Google’s home page (or more realistically, a page on the porn site saying “hey you failed the age check. If you’re over 18, be sure you do that with your device before trying again, because this is the only page you’ll be able to access until then. Or if you’re under 18, click here to return to where you were before” explanation) as soon as the age check fails.
Hardware age verification is basically the best of every world. You don’t rely on a third-party service to verify your PII (which will inevitably leak it, like Discord did). You don’t need to verify with every single individual site and service. The government doesn’t get a record of every site that asks for verification. And kids are automatically prevented from stumbling across adult content.
I agree that Colorado democrats are typically the “if we cozy up to the right they might stop being mean to us” candidates. I think this bill is a poor implementation, but it’s at least done under the right premise. If we could force hardware manufacturers and/or OSes to support native age verification, it would solve a lot of the current issues that we have.
You make some good points. If what you say is true, then most countries and states won’t adopt this style of verification because compromising everyone is the point. But they could probably set it up so it does compromise everyone at the hardware level.
Is it unrealistic to expect no age checks? We’ve lived through an entire internet without age checks, why is it different now? There aren’t more creeps, the only thing that’s different is our politicians feel emboldened to surrender us to tech. To use age checks as a trojan horse, to get AI behind the walls, to make us all social scores to be used secretly against us.
So I don’t see it as inevitable at all, especially not in the US, with the first amendment. Not in blue states, Colorodo is the only blue state doing any of this as far as I’ve heard either. Because they are conservative sell outs.
So I am on the side or rejecting age checks, and calling them out for what they are, surrendering us to tech for total surveillance, and replacing every politician that has supported it.
We’ve lived through an entire internet without age checks, why is it different now? There aren’t more creeps
I think the big difference is ease of access. For millennials growing up, accessing the internet basically required being at the family desktop in the middle of the living room. Phones weren’t connected to the internet, and cell phones weren’t even common yet.
And kids still got groomed, even when their only access to the internet was in a shared family space. And that began to get more prevalent as devices became smarter and more portable. Now, any 8 year old can get groomed in their own bedroom, while simply playing a video game.
It’s not more common at all, we are being played by the media for this very purpose, and there is no reason we should let them win, there’s no reason they should win, they are using dishonest arguments and a majority agree with us in an honest conversation. Let’s’ call them on their bullshit and stop them, then we can keep your less worse option for when something has to be done, and keep it to show how compromising us is the reason, as they refuse the methods that wouldn’t compromise us.
and it’s not the state’s place to do so, it’s the parents
Not every parent is a good steward or guardian of their children, like those who have been caught cyberbullying their own children or those who send their gay/trans children to conversion camps to “pray the gay away” or even parents who deny their children life-saving vaccination and medical procedures because it conflicts with parental beliefs. A technically proficient parent who is “protecting their kids” could easily be blocking their children from access to information that is important to the child’s development just as much as the government could be.
The argument that it’s always fully the parents right and no one else’s is an unintentional argument in favor of parents treating children like property and normalizing the ability for parents to abuse and control their children under the guise of the false idea that a parent always knows what is best for their child. Plenty of parents shat out kids while knowing fuck-all about how the world works and definitely don’t know what is best for their child.
Government is imperfect, but so are parents.
If America or any other society moves to have UBI as the basis of all things, children could have personal agency. If free housing and a monthly income is available to all, alongside free education and healthcare, a child could choose to leave their family at any time. This would go a long way to preventing abuse, allow children to fulfill their personal growth, and so much more.
Family, friendship, and community should exist because people like each other, rather than being a product of authority.
Absolutely agreed, but you’re still going to need a government authority for things like UBI, free housing, and deciding at what age it is reasonable for a child to be emancipated from their parents and live on their own. Obviously a four year old probably isn’t going to be capable of fully caring for themselves, even if they deserve the autonomy from their abusive parents. If I recall correctly, current emancipation laws are roughly around 13 years old, which is when a child is starting to be able to competently care for themselves. However, that still leaves over a decade of potential abusive parenting where someone needs to be raising the child whether it’s a good parent, or a foster parent, or a state institution. More importantly, that decade is the most important period for a child’s development, especially in terms of mental health. So whether we like it or not, there still needs to be some checks on parents just doing whatever the fuck they want to their children during that period.
If there is universal healthcare, caretakers for the elderly and the orphaned should be available. That means a young kid can ask for a caretaker and receive that aid. Kinda like an reverse adoption, where the kid chooses the parent, rather than the other way around.
The government can send a representative to households or schools with a kid under 10 years of age, with the job of asking whether they want to stay. Do this once a year, giving the kid a tablet through which they can securely send a simple survey without showing their parent what they put on it. Depending on what the kid wants, they stay with their family or can tell the state that they are unhappy with where they are.
It wouldn’t be perfect, but at least it gives pathways out of bad situations.
At this point, it’s probably cheaper and more effective to have proper sex education in schools…
At which age? And how?
Any age, really. You can introduce the topic gradually through learning about biology. Pollination of plants, for example. Or bird mating rituals. At primary school, we had an egg incubator where we could watch the live growth of a chicken fetus. Make it clinical and normal rather than this forbidden mysterious thing.
High schoolers should definitely be taught about safe sex and disease prevention. Also, consent and how to deal with unwanted attention, or even what to do after rape, dealing with shame etc. Heck, talk about masturbation and how it effects the body and mind.
It all needs to be laid out on the table so, in the future, these kids grow up into well informed adults and we can forget about data harvesting for surveillance.
These people are idiots
I fully expect this to become a move to hamper linux, or any non-windows desktop usage, because “we can’t trust a user who has full access to their OS” or some other bullshit.
What would be the point of that? If the check was done locally it would be trivial to spoof.
Technically, this can’t work. It’s a bad idea.
They want mandatory end user identification, through the backdoor. Can’t tolerate any wrongthink, citizen.
Well my custom browser says my age is verified, we’re all set here here. All set. Move along.
As a parent, I wish someone would develop a cross platform, open source, parental control tool that preserves privacy while allowing for strong controls that are simple to use. The best I could come up with is a separate instance of Pihole that any device my kids use is linked to. It would be nice if there was a software option or something implemented in hardware that allowed parents to register the device with the user’s age (no identifying info). Laws could then be passed forcing certain websites and apps to reject any users under a certain age. The restrictions could automatically lift when the user reaches a predetermined age. I’m not an expert so there are probably aspects of this I haven’t thought through but it seems better than what has been implemented so far.
Have you checked your modem/Wi-Fi router?
Sounds Dumb, I know, but many have them baked in.
It may not be perfect, but it covers all devices unless you can login.
I did. My router runs a version of OpenWRT and while I can blacklist certain domains, I can’t add lists of domains. They have to be added one by one. The pi-hole solution is much easier. I can add an entire list for social media. I can add a list that forces search engines to use safe search.
The best I could come up with is a separate instance of Pihole that any device my kids use is linked to.
It’s a little clunky, but you can do this with one Pi-Hole instance by using the Groups feature. In the “Groups” tab make a group for your default Pi-Hole settings (or just use the already included Default group), and then make a separate group for the additional blocked domains for your children’s devices (for purposes here we’ll refer to this group as “Child”). In your Lists tab, choose which Group each list should be applied to (or choose the group it should be applied to while adding the entry). In your Clients tab use the drop down menu to choose and assign devices to Groups, put all your devices in the Default group and put all your children’s devices in both the Default Group and the Child Group. This way your devices will have the default blocklists and your children’s will have the default plus the additional blocklists aimed to protect them specifically.
Thanks for this! I’m still relatively new to Pi-Hole. I’ll give it a look.
No problem, I’ve been using Pi-Hole for years but have only recently started exploring options with the Groups feature. In fact I spent a few minutes messing around with it before I wrote my original reply to make sure I was going to explain it right. Don’t be afraid to hit me up with questions, I’d be happy to try to help.
I’m not in IT and only have tangential knowledge, but I would think something like corporate internet control would work for this. I know my company has blanket access restrictions with the ability to modify them on an individual basis. But I haven’t the slightest idea how to implement that. I think all of my company device data goes through a tunnel.
You’d think so, but I promise you that a teenager will work their way around most internet based blocks eventually. The thing that gets you in a corpo environment is that they fully log your browsing, so yeah you managed to find fuckmyfacesilly.com that wasn’t blocked, but you’re going to have a little talk with management as soon as someone checks the logs.
Are you telling me I can’t fire my kids if they find a way around? Seriously though, my kids are still relatively young so the pihole solution should work for a bit. Neither will figure out how to change DNS settings for a while.
If you’re allowing full-client-logs on Pi-Hole, anything that passes through it will be seen in your Pi-Hole logs in the same way.
Yeah but most parents aren’t going to be checking those logs.
Honestly your best bet is to use a paid service, which I hate because it adds yet another cost to raising kids. It would just be great if device manufacturers could get their shit together and not relegate parental controls to the third party market.
