Waze is now also Google. Apple can and does extract/extort lots rent/ransom from Google. OSM doesn’t have the pockets. They, like lots of FOSS, undermine the whole scheme.
If it’s missing data (such as locations) that is the issue, then you can update the map yourself and help others migrate at the same time. Every little bit helps, even if you don’t plan on fully moving over. I’ve done over a thousand changes to my local area and it’s actually more accurate than Google Maps in a lot of the commercial areas. You don’t have to do a thousand things though, like I said, every little bit helps.
Of course, it doesn’t help for outside of your area if you only do changes locally, but if enough people were willing to update the map, things could change.
Adding onto that, the app StreetComplete makes contributing stupidly easy. You basically get a bunch of quests generatef around you with missing or potentially outdated data that you can fill in by answering simple questions. Basically Pokemon Go, but infinitely more useful.
Be realistic, not many people using apple devices (or any mobile devices tbh) are going to care or be intelligent enough to pull an open source alternative
No, it’s more that the average person will choose an iPhone or Android Phone and use whatever is built-in instead of looking for an alternative, and this describes the vast majority of people.
It’s not the device they picked, it’s that they’re part of the majority.
No, the majority sucks at any particular area. It turns out that most people are good at a few things and bad at pretty much everything else. You don’t want a doctor doing your taxes, or a lawyer checking your teeth for cavities, because that’s not what they’re good at.
Most people only care about tech if it’s not working. They use whatever comes with the devices they buy and leave it at that, because why should they care further?
Apple deliberately markets to those who willing to trade their virtual freedoms for a pseudo-luxury brand (with enough QC defects to kickstart Louis Rossmann’s career), a UI filled with (buggy) eye candy, “social status” (Blue bubbles) and “convenience” in the form of never having the option of installing software outside their walled garden.
With the exception of those who work at the company and are mandated to have a device, and those who use iOS for certain apps exclusive to the platform required for their employment, they are the technologically inept. Manuals scare them, a terminal prompt would make them jump up and call IT over right away. Installing an application manually is “scary”. If something went wrong with the hardware, they would throw away the device rather than fix it (thanks to Apple). Trying to explain to the the consequences of their choices is a fool’s errand.
They are the marketable, eager cult members for Apple to puppet on virtual strings. The only thing that surprises me is that they haven’t enshittified with ads sooner. I guess that impacts their “luxury” brand image.
Android does all the same shit with your data but worse.
I could install GrapheneOS or whatever else but there’s tradeoffs around actual usability, reliability, etc there I’m not willing to make, especially considering I use my phone for my job. If you are good for you, but don’t assume people are idiots because they prioritize different things than you.
I took a few hours to think before I messaged here again so I don’t ragepost, sorry.
Yes, my statement was full of vitriol - fueled from negative experiences assisting IT clients, family members, and colleagues who were too stubborn to realize the limitations of Apple’s ecosystem. I understand people who already have an iPhone either as a gift or a prior purchase, but it’s the refusal to do research or to realize that Apple’s screwing them that grinds my gears.
Personally, I use GrapheneOS, on a Pixel 9, but I am well aware that can’t be a solution for everyone (especially until the Graphene team manage to finish working with that Android OEM for more hardware support), so my best advice is to just to research about what device you are using. Ideally, it should have an unlocked bootloader, a transparent support timeline, and something like PostmarketOS support if you’re buying used.
None of those will ever be options on Apple’s ecosystem, and history shows their ecosystem enshittification is both inevitable, and accelerating. So please, just avoid them (and I guess Samsung as the worst Android-based offender) as much as possible.
Complain for years on end about the issues with their devices while simultaneously refusing to actually question whether they should stop buying Apple products.
Look, I live in silicon valley, I had to deal with family members and colleagues who had these exact issues in real time. Whenever they ask, “This sucks, is there a better way?” I would explain the circumstances and what phones/software would work as an alternative, and they would act repulsed, as if I offered them poison. “I only know how to use Apple! If I can’t get the same experience I’ll never switch!”
Then the very next year, same thing. Makes me want to tear my hair out when they ask me for assistance and refuse to actually consider why they have these issues in the first place.
Makes me want to tear my hair out when they ask me for assistance
ProTip: stop offering assistance to people who come to you for advice/assistance and then immediately disregard your response.
I had family that did that all the time with their computers (I had a computer repair business), and constantly complained about performance, but weren’t willing to change their behavior after asking for advice to make it run better/not be a pile of shit in a month.
Funny how charging customer rates instead of friends and family rates made them either figure their shit out, or stop coming to me every 6 weeks expecting a cheap fix to their lack of willingness to improve things. Either way, I stopped hearing about their exact same issues over and over, so problem solved.
People that like iphones hail Steve jobs. The guy that wore one single outfit because he hated choice, and made an operating system out of that believe system. On top of walled garden crap like not even being able to use Bluetooth for sending things around.
he died from his own hubris, he went a fruit diet until his rare tretable cancer mestasized and killed him, plus he paid to get a liver transplants ahead of someone else in need, only to die form the cancer.
Bought from Apple. Voted with your wallet to support the walled garden infrastructure, gave up all of your software freedom for a shiny interface, blue bubbles, and some casual marketing.
And now that users like you realized how fucked you really are once Apple decides it’s time to extract more value from you, now you come crawling to the OSS community for a path out of the walled garden.
I mean, the community will still help you. But I can’t say I like Apple users after years upon years hearing them sing praises about the walled garden and worshipping the company’s abuses at every step of the way. At least we warned you about when this would happen, I suppose. Maybe some of them will realize their mistakes. I doubt it.
I had four android phones from three different manufacturers die in less than a year, one of them wouldn’t put out any updates after a year either. I went back to iPhone and it lasted for four years.
I’m not voting with my wallet, I’m picking the device that causes the least amount of headache and just fucking works when I need it to. I have to have one of these to keep my job.
The next headline will read, OpenStreetMaps gains users as Apple adds ads to maps.
After that, Apple would ban OSM apps from their store.
I could totally see this happen.
Not in a direct manner, but something about “OSM not living up to Apple’s high standards of privacy” or similar strategy.
why would they do that when Google Maps and Waze are already bigger competitors?
Waze is now also Google. Apple can and does extract/extort lots rent/ransom from Google. OSM doesn’t have the pockets. They, like lots of FOSS, undermine the whole scheme.
i recommend people get streetcomplete too so you can help build out osm! :)
I wish it were good enough to be a viable alternative but it really isn’t.
If it’s missing data (such as locations) that is the issue, then you can update the map yourself and help others migrate at the same time. Every little bit helps, even if you don’t plan on fully moving over. I’ve done over a thousand changes to my local area and it’s actually more accurate than Google Maps in a lot of the commercial areas. You don’t have to do a thousand things though, like I said, every little bit helps.
Of course, it doesn’t help for outside of your area if you only do changes locally, but if enough people were willing to update the map, things could change.
Adding onto that, the app StreetComplete makes contributing stupidly easy. You basically get a bunch of quests generatef around you with missing or potentially outdated data that you can fill in by answering simple questions. Basically Pokemon Go, but infinitely more useful.
It’s not. It’s that the apps that use it have bad UIs and/or don’t support CarPlay. I haven’t found an alternative yet that was usable day to day.
Be realistic, not many people using apple devices (or any mobile devices tbh) are going to care or be intelligent enough to pull an open source alternative
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No, it’s more that the average person will choose an iPhone or Android Phone and use whatever is built-in instead of looking for an alternative, and this describes the vast majority of people.
It’s not the device they picked, it’s that they’re part of the majority.
The point is there’s no reason for android edglords to be all antagonistic and bring intelligence into it.
That doesn’t sound like Android edgelording to me.
The majority sucks if you’re a snowflake.
No, the majority sucks at any particular area. It turns out that most people are good at a few things and bad at pretty much everything else. You don’t want a doctor doing your taxes, or a lawyer checking your teeth for cavities, because that’s not what they’re good at.
Most people only care about tech if it’s not working. They use whatever comes with the devices they buy and leave it at that, because why should they care further?
Apple deliberately markets to those who willing to trade their virtual freedoms for a pseudo-luxury brand (with enough QC defects to kickstart Louis Rossmann’s career), a UI filled with (buggy) eye candy, “social status” (Blue bubbles) and “convenience” in the form of never having the option of installing software outside their walled garden.
With the exception of those who work at the company and are mandated to have a device, and those who use iOS for certain apps exclusive to the platform required for their employment, they are the technologically inept. Manuals scare them, a terminal prompt would make them jump up and call IT over right away. Installing an application manually is “scary”. If something went wrong with the hardware, they would throw away the device rather than fix it (thanks to Apple). Trying to explain to the the consequences of their choices is a fool’s errand.
They are the marketable, eager cult members for Apple to puppet on virtual strings. The only thing that surprises me is that they haven’t enshittified with ads sooner. I guess that impacts their “luxury” brand image.
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So you’re saying you’re fine with the required Apple account, advertising, and data collection? That’s not getting in your way?
Being unable to use a browser that isn’t webkit/safari isn’t problematic?
Yes.
Android does all the same shit with your data but worse.
I could install GrapheneOS or whatever else but there’s tradeoffs around actual usability, reliability, etc there I’m not willing to make, especially considering I use my phone for my job. If you are good for you, but don’t assume people are idiots because they prioritize different things than you.
Would you care to enlighten us fools on what phone and OS you use and how we can be as great as you?
I took a few hours to think before I messaged here again so I don’t ragepost, sorry.
Yes, my statement was full of vitriol - fueled from negative experiences assisting IT clients, family members, and colleagues who were too stubborn to realize the limitations of Apple’s ecosystem. I understand people who already have an iPhone either as a gift or a prior purchase, but it’s the refusal to do research or to realize that Apple’s screwing them that grinds my gears.
Personally, I use GrapheneOS, on a Pixel 9, but I am well aware that can’t be a solution for everyone (especially until the Graphene team manage to finish working with that Android OEM for more hardware support), so my best advice is to just to research about what device you are using. Ideally, it should have an unlocked bootloader, a transparent support timeline, and something like PostmarketOS support if you’re buying used.
None of those will ever be options on Apple’s ecosystem, and history shows their ecosystem enshittification is both inevitable, and accelerating. So please, just avoid them (and I guess Samsung as the worst Android-based offender) as much as possible.
I’m not sure what an iphone user did to you exactly, but seek therapy.
Complain for years on end about the issues with their devices while simultaneously refusing to actually question whether they should stop buying Apple products.
Look, I live in silicon valley, I had to deal with family members and colleagues who had these exact issues in real time. Whenever they ask, “This sucks, is there a better way?” I would explain the circumstances and what phones/software would work as an alternative, and they would act repulsed, as if I offered them poison. “I only know how to use Apple! If I can’t get the same experience I’ll never switch!”
Then the very next year, same thing. Makes me want to tear my hair out when they ask me for assistance and refuse to actually consider why they have these issues in the first place.
ProTip: stop offering assistance to people who come to you for advice/assistance and then immediately disregard your response.
I had family that did that all the time with their computers (I had a computer repair business), and constantly complained about performance, but weren’t willing to change their behavior after asking for advice to make it run better/not be a pile of shit in a month.
Funny how charging customer rates instead of friends and family rates made them either figure their shit out, or stop coming to me every 6 weeks expecting a cheap fix to their lack of willingness to improve things. Either way, I stopped hearing about their exact same issues over and over, so problem solved.
People that like iphones hail Steve jobs. The guy that wore one single outfit because he hated choice, and made an operating system out of that believe system. On top of walled garden crap like not even being able to use Bluetooth for sending things around.
Yes the iPhone is pinnacle of stupid.
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he died from his own hubris, he went a fruit diet until his rare tretable cancer mestasized and killed him, plus he paid to get a liver transplants ahead of someone else in need, only to die form the cancer.
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won’t care? yeah probably. aren’t intelligent enough? that’s an insane generalization, knowledgeable about technology ≠ smart
I mean there might be a correlation who knows
What the heck did I (an iOS user) do to hurt you???
Bought from Apple. Voted with your wallet to support the walled garden infrastructure, gave up all of your software freedom for a shiny interface, blue bubbles, and some casual marketing.
And now that users like you realized how fucked you really are once Apple decides it’s time to extract more value from you, now you come crawling to the OSS community for a path out of the walled garden.
I mean, the community will still help you. But I can’t say I like Apple users after years upon years hearing them sing praises about the walled garden and worshipping the company’s abuses at every step of the way. At least we warned you about when this would happen, I suppose. Maybe some of them will realize their mistakes. I doubt it.
I had four android phones from three different manufacturers die in less than a year, one of them wouldn’t put out any updates after a year either. I went back to iPhone and it lasted for four years.
I’m not voting with my wallet, I’m picking the device that causes the least amount of headache and just fucking works when I need it to. I have to have one of these to keep my job.