Man I cannot fucking wait until this stupid goddamn bubble pops
And what happens when a bubble bursts? Did the internet die when the dotcom bubble burst, or is that just when it really started to get going?
I share most of your sentiments against AI, but a bubble popping won’t make it go away, and it won’t even rectify it to be more to people’s likings (i doubt it). It takes more than just waiting around to accomplish that.
Im so tired of this stupud fucking refrain. Cause we all know how housing got so mich better after 08 and how we dont have any more dot coms and how the internet got so much better since that bubble. You people have no idea what your even asking for.
The problem is that when a bubble pops and exposes the problem, the government leaders should take the opportunity to fix the problem so it doesn’t happen again.
Instead they bail them all out, so there are not only no consequences to their actions, they are literally rewarded with unimaginable wealth. What about this strategy would induce them to change their ways, over doing it all over again, and getting rewarded again?
the bubble pops and then everything comes back, in an “improved” version. Imagine: ChatGPT with ads and sponsored answers.
Just like that one black mirror episode.
the day that these guys need to turn a profit will be the day that a lot of people lose access to this sort of thing
You mean Clippy++ 2.0 auto-complete with jpgs isn’t a business model?
In other words, they want to hook up users and companies, make them dependent, and then rise up the prices severely while finding ways to process and incorporate all of the data they’ve gathered in ways that will probably involve automating the jobs of the users themselves.
aka enshittification
good, everyone flood the AI with useless tasks so they go bankrupt
They are in the train the trainer phase where developers are training their models and getting some benefit from the results it spits out.
The enshitification will begin soon. They have already talked about inserting ads in responses.
I fear people will grow attached to AI chats, which will emotionally manipulate them into buying stuff or supporting specific causes. The ads on a platform like this are going to make google AdWords and pay per click feel like advertising in the newspaper.
Basically, the only reason some of these vaguely functional AI tools actually work okay is because they haven’t been ruined with inevitable monetisation yet.
Already the cost is quite high. A prolific dev can easily burn 100usd a day in tokens and they have not even started to enshitify.
Some of the cost to run these models will come down a bit if Nvidia gets some actual competition which I’m sure will happen in the medium to long term because the hyper scalers definitely don’t like paying Nvidia’s AI ransom and the Chinese don’t want to be beholden to a company the US can influence.
We will see which happens first.
Isn’t this true of like everything AI right now?
We’re in the “grow a locked-in user base” part of their rollout. We’ll hit the “make money” part in a year or two, and then the enshittification machine will kick into high gear.
I doubt it, LLMs have already become significantly more efficient and powerful in just the last couple months.
In a year or two we will be able to run something like Gemini 2.5 Pro on a gaming PC which right now requires a server farm.
Current gen models got less accurate and hallucinated at a higher rate compared to the last ones, from experience and from openai. I think it’s either because they’re trying to see how far they can squeeze the models, or because it’s starting to eat its own slop found while crawling.
https://cdn.openai.com/pdf/2221c875-02dc-4789-800b-e7758f3722c1/o3-and-o4-mini-system-card.pdf
That’s one example, but what about other models? What you just did is called cherry picking, or selective evidence.
That’s the usual business plan. However, people don’t really like ai. The results aren’t great, so, if they jack up the price, people will likely cancel. The lock in is poor as the product and convenience is poor. It doesn’t really save money as promised.
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Do any of them like it enough to pay for it? The figures say no.
I use it daily but I won’t subscribe. It’s like news. Why pay when you can get it for free. (I do subscribe to news outlets, though, but like ai subscriptions, I know I’m in the minority).
There is a specialised ai tool that is useful at my work. It’s got a free tier which does most of the functions and the next tier up is crazy expensive on a per user basis for the amount of time it saves. If there was a reasonable subscription, perhaps I’d subscribe but I assume that a reasonable subscription doesn’t cover costs, so they’d rather a free user to pump their numbers than lose a subscriber. That yells me it will enshottify over time or they hope that the cost will drop. The problem is that if the cost to host drops a lot, people will self host instead. It’s a rock and a hard place, without a sustainable business model.
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The usual business plan is to reinvest all earnings into growth. So you’re losing money, but gaining market share. Tesla, Amazon, etc all did this. They could stop at any point and turn a profit, but they chose to pursue a growth instead.
AI companies are currently not making enough revenue to even cover their operating costs. Even so, they are pouring all of their money into more video cards that, once installed and configured, immediately start losing money.
I don’t think they’re gaining any market share, especially after the Chinese produced nearly identical services.
If anything, a smaller market share is better for business. The more users they have the faster they lose money.
Nobody asked
However, people don’t really like ai.
Whether they like it or not, doesn’t really matter. It’s being used everywhere.
The results aren’t great
Depends. To get information: No. To write big software: No. To write an Excel macro or a browser bookmarklet: Yes.
Yes, but that’s not taking over jobs. It’s a minor convenience occasionally. That won’t justify monthly.pricing they need to turn profitable, not will it have the wide range of applications for.every industry that they hoped for.
people don’t really like ai
Once you start asking about AI in regard to specific use cases, I think you’ll find that quickly changes.
My company and I have been running a lot of studies around how and where people find value in these tools, and a LOT of people find LLMs useful for copy writing, doing quick research, data visualization, synthesis, fast prototyping, etc.
There’s a lot of crap that AI is bad at in 2025. Especially the poor in-app integrations that everyone is trying to standup. But there are a lot of use cases where it does provide a lot of value for people.
Yes, it does, but at the price needed to make it profitable, it’s not desirable.
LLMs are not useless; they serve a purpose. They just are nowhere near as clever as we expect them to be based on calling them AI. However, body is investing billions for an email writing assistant.
Price is essentially zero if you just run it locally
I dunno about that… Very small models (2-8B) sure but if you want more than a handful of tokens per second on a large model (R1 is 671B) you’re looking at some very expensive hardware that also comes with a power bill.
Even a 20-70B model needs a big chunky new graphics card or something fancy like those new AMD AI max guys and a crapload of ram.
Granted you don’t need a whole datacenter, but the price is far from zero.
Yes, but requires decent hardware and energy to do so. If the cost to host keeps dropping, people will self host and the ai companies won’t make money. If the cost remains high, the subscriptions won’t provide value and they won’t make money.
oh yeah this shit’s working out GREAT
"This is what it must have felt like to be the first person to get addicted to a slot machine. We didn’t know then. But now we do.”
Mr. Moore speculated that chatbots may have learned to engage their users by following the narrative arcs of thrillers, science fiction, movie scripts or other data sets they were trained on. Lawrence’s use of the equivalent of cliffhangers could be the result of OpenAI optimizing ChatGPT for engagement, to keep users coming back.
All I’m saying is that is you ask people about AI with no use case, you’re going to get different answers than if you ask people about AI when it’s contextualized to a specific problem space.
If I ask a bunch of people about “what do you think about automobiles,” I’m going to get a very different answer than if I ask “what do you think about automobiles that are used as ambulances” or “what do you think about automobiles instead of mass transit.”
Context will give you a very different response.
I just hope your insurance is paid up because the liabilities these things expose business to is frankly disgusting. but if I were a young lawyer, hell, this is going to be a huge domain to profit from - llm induced madness and psychosis, yeah, but also - LLM just made up shit because it didn’t know. and the rate of this happening only seems to grow, while the severity of the risk involved is frankly terrifying.
Once again, it all depends on the use case. The other day I used an LLM quickly mockup a carousel UI so I could see if it was worth writing real code for. It helped me explore a couple bad ideas before I committed to something worth coding.
I’m not actually checking that code in. I’m using the LLM like a whiteboard on steroids.
you’re using an LLM for the purposes an actual whiteboard would probably be better for.
I mean, you could actually interact with people, yikes. you could have the give and take of ideas and collaboration, but instead, let’s just chew through a shit ton of power and water, we’ve got a spare environment in the closet.
pfft, do you have any idea how silly it all seems from another perspective?
Yeah, it’s basically like early days of cable, Uber, Instacart, streaming, etc. They have a lot of capital and are running at a loss to capture the market. Once companies have secured a customer base, they start jacking up the prices.
in this case there isnt customer base for AI, only ceo and c-suites are.
There are billions of free users available. All they need to do is strip-off few excellent features of their free model and hide it behind a pay wall annnnd voila these free users have now became their paying customers!
when this bubble pops it’s gonna be horrific.
google, meta, ms, so many more leveraged out huge investments in datacenters. nvidia is propping up whole segments of the fucking economy.
https://www.wheresyoured.at/ai-is-a-money-trap/
it’d be fun to watch if I could isolate myself from the chaos that will ensue, but we’re all gonna get fucked by the aibros, it’s only a question of which segment of the economy blows up first.
There is another factor in this which often gets overlooked. A LOT of the money invested right now is for the Nvidia chips and products based around them. As many gamers are painfully aware, these chips devalue very quickly. With the progress of technology moving so fast, what was once a top of the line unit gets outclassed by mid tier hardware within a couple of years. After 5 years it’s usefulness is severely diminished and after 10 years it is hardly worth the energy to run them.
This means the window for return on investment is a lot shorter than usual in tech. For example when creating a software service, there would be an upfront investment for buying the startup that created the software. Then some scaling investment in infrastructure and such. But after that it turns into a steady state where the input of money is a lot lower than revenue from the customer base that was grown. This allows to get returns on investment for many years after that initial investment and growth phase.
With this Ai shit it works a bit different. If you want to train and run the latest models in order to remain competitive in the market, you would need to continually buy the latest hardware from Nvidia. As soon as you start running on older hardware, your product would be left behind and with all the competition out there users would be lost very quickly. It’s very hard to see how the trillions of dollars invested now are ever going to be recovered within the span of five years. Especially in a time where so much companies are dumping their products for very low prices and sometimes even for free.
This bubble has to burst and it is going to be bad. For the people who were around when the dotcom bubble burst, this is going to be much worse than that ever was.
They’ll write this off as a loss and offset their corporate taxes
Also china is a great example that you do not need all the latest hardware, but it does help
yeah datacenters never really aged well, and making them gpu dependent is going mean they age like hot piss. and since they’re ai-dedicated gpus, they can’t even resell them lol.
all this investment, for what? so some chud can have a picture of taylor swift with 4 tits?
fucking idiots
I don’t see why they can’t be resold. As long as there’s a market for new AI hardware, there will continue to be a market for the older stuff. You don’t need the latest and greatest for development purposes, or things that scale horizontally.
I didn’t say they couldn’t be resold, they simply won’t have as wide a potential user market like an generic GPU would. But think about it for a sec, you’ve got thousands of AI dedicated gpu’s going stale whenever a datacenter gets overhauled or a datacenter goes bust.
that’s gonna put a lot more product on the market that other datacenters aren’t going to touch - no one puts used hardware in their racks - so who’s gonna gobble up all this stuff?
not the gamers. who else needs this kind of stuff?
I’m not sure that they’re even going to be useful for gamers. Datacenter GPUs require a substantial external cooling solution to stop them from just melting. Believe NVidia’s new stuff is liquid-only, so even if you’ve got an HVAC next to your l33t gaming PC, that won’t be sufficient.
not just those constraints, good luck getting a fucking video signal out of 'em when they literally don’t have hdmi/dp or any other connectors.
Yeah I’m getting real dot com bubble vibes from all of this.
Came here to see if someone had mentioned Ed Zitron’s blog. His last two pieces on the AI bubble are fantastic reads.
A lot of startups whose entire business model relies on OpenAI’s small model API calls costing under $1/Mtok, are going to go bust when OpenAI finally runs out of money and ramps the cost up tenfold.
It would be just cheaper to self-host something for the whole company then? Open-source AIs are there and they are very much competitive with proprietary solutions.
If you want OpenAI level response times you might be surprised how expensive self-hosting gets.
