I’m an accountant. My life would be plenty hard without Excel. Google or LibreOffice are nowhere near sufficient. As much as I hate to admit that, because I’m definitely no fan of Microsoft, but for me there’s also no alternative.
I’m also old enough to wish that LotusNotes and Lotus123 won the race. LotusNotes especially, it was the shit.
You probably don’t for personal budgeting and tracking of items for tax purposes. Any run of the mill spreadsheet will work just fine for that purpose.
I’m a chartered accountant though, like think of me as a free agent if you will, I’m not tethered to anything or anyone. I do professional work or give professional advice in exchange for currencies of various origins. My work as such, is a bit more complicated, and I need Excel. Sometimes I have to shared access to files for instance, or I need to share a file with someone, who won’t have libre because they are using Excel locked behind a corporate environment they don’t control. Libre Calc does have some unique functions that I’d argue Excel doesn’t have, but on the flip side Excel has more advanced functions, and xlookup, which I pretty much use every day. Google Sheets isn’t even in this conversation, and I personally have a hard dislike for Google Workspace apps in every form.
It would be nice if there was an actual alternative, and I think Libre would probably be the closest viable one. The gap is narrowing. Microsoft Office is atrocious in price, but thankfully easily hackable though, although in a professional environment you have to be more careful with this, than you personally would care to be. It’s also a memory pig for absolutely no reason, and so full of historical bugs they haven’t cared to fix for 30+ years. Plus some new ones that are infuriating. And you could set Microsoft Word on fire with no complaints from me.
Yes. I’m a self employed professional. I mean I have different computers, I have my laptop for instance which is for work only. But it’s still my laptop.
I recently had to help a client move e-mails between two accounts and thunderbird out-timed multiple times. After finding out that not our firewall or the account is the issue (two gmail accounts) I looked and found some report on the mozilla forum about the issue. The workaround was to copy it first locally and then move a certain amount of emails manually.
Also I prefer the UI over current Thunderbird but I think this design could win me over:
But it seemingly needs to be configured manually to achieve that look reddit link?
Not really in the mood for trying that out.
I also need to mention I make heavy use of my personal domain and have several email accounts. It’s already a pain to manage them on the phone but sadly even there the option is gmail or outlook. Didnt look too much into alternatives but I am cagey about others having access to my SMTP password.
Yes, I heard that Microsoft attempted to hijack the (new) Mail app on Windows11 to MS news but I (hope) that they don’t do that with their Outlook Android/Windows version and only with their native Win11 client
I don’t use outlook anymore but I do use Thunderbird and the UI is janky and outdated, plus it has to download and catch up on messages every time you open it.
You are entitled to your own opinion but so am I.
This opinion is purely from a usability standpoint. I like the office suite and prefer the editing and menu over open/libre office.
And I say this as someone that created letter templates for clients.
Creating forms is way easier on Writer though. Very good (free) way to create forms!
People use microsoft office at home?
I’m an accountant. My life would be plenty hard without Excel. Google or LibreOffice are nowhere near sufficient. As much as I hate to admit that, because I’m definitely no fan of Microsoft, but for me there’s also no alternative.
I’m also old enough to wish that LotusNotes and Lotus123 won the race. LotusNotes especially, it was the shit.
You do accounting at home?
I mean, I do some accounting at home (my savings, taxes) but I don’t see why they require $150 software for their home accounting.
You probably don’t for personal budgeting and tracking of items for tax purposes. Any run of the mill spreadsheet will work just fine for that purpose.
I’m a chartered accountant though, like think of me as a free agent if you will, I’m not tethered to anything or anyone. I do professional work or give professional advice in exchange for currencies of various origins. My work as such, is a bit more complicated, and I need Excel. Sometimes I have to shared access to files for instance, or I need to share a file with someone, who won’t have libre because they are using Excel locked behind a corporate environment they don’t control. Libre Calc does have some unique functions that I’d argue Excel doesn’t have, but on the flip side Excel has more advanced functions, and xlookup, which I pretty much use every day. Google Sheets isn’t even in this conversation, and I personally have a hard dislike for Google Workspace apps in every form.
It would be nice if there was an actual alternative, and I think Libre would probably be the closest viable one. The gap is narrowing. Microsoft Office is atrocious in price, but thankfully easily hackable though, although in a professional environment you have to be more careful with this, than you personally would care to be. It’s also a memory pig for absolutely no reason, and so full of historical bugs they haven’t cared to fix for 30+ years. Plus some new ones that are infuriating. And you could set Microsoft Word on fire with no complaints from me.
Yes. I’m a self employed professional. I mean I have different computers, I have my laptop for instance which is for work only. But it’s still my laptop.
Yes, because Outlook is still superior to Thunderbird (sadly)
How so?
I recently had to help a client move e-mails between two accounts and thunderbird out-timed multiple times. After finding out that not our firewall or the account is the issue (two gmail accounts) I looked and found some report on the mozilla forum about the issue. The workaround was to copy it first locally and then move a certain amount of emails manually.
Also I prefer the UI over current Thunderbird but I think this design could win me over:
But it seemingly needs to be configured manually to achieve that look reddit link?
Not really in the mood for trying that out.
I also need to mention I make heavy use of my personal domain and have several email accounts. It’s already a pain to manage them on the phone but sadly even there the option is gmail or outlook. Didnt look too much into alternatives but I am cagey about others having access to my SMTP password.
Yes, I heard that Microsoft attempted to hijack the (new) Mail app on Windows11 to MS news but I (hope) that they don’t do that with their Outlook Android/Windows version and only with their native Win11 client
That new UX for outlook is infuriating though. I had to switch back to old outlook.
I don’t use outlook anymore but I do use Thunderbird and the UI is janky and outdated, plus it has to download and catch up on messages every time you open it.
Thanks for explaining!
Thunderbird in 2024 still doesn’t give you the option to use 12 hour time.
No its not.
You are entitled to your own opinion but so am I.
This opinion is purely from a usability standpoint. I like the office suite and prefer the editing and menu over open/libre office.
And I say this as someone that created letter templates for clients.
Creating forms is way easier on Writer though. Very good (free) way to create forms!
It is, but not enough to move the needle. It also carries a bunch of bloat.
That’s not the only email clients in existence, surely there are other ones that better? How many people even use desktop email client anymore?
I also use Roundcube with several plugins/add-ons.