Please, everyone, stop using Chrome. This is an easy vote with your wallet that doesn’t even require your wallet.
Complacency means the internet gets worse, ads get worse, nickel and diming gets worse. It’s the easiest chance to take a stand you’ll ever have.
I’m fairly confident no one here is using Chrome.
I am …
Firefox is the way to go.
What’s Opera based on? My friends mostly use Mac, so they all use Opera and Chrome, but I have gotten them to stop using Chrome.
Nearly every browser is Chromium-based. Additionally, Opera is Chinese-owned.
So? It isn’t google. Also google and Mozilla have Asian employees so I guess you’ll have to be not racist.
I do agree that the Chinese government is problematic though.
I’d like to point out that they said nothing about it being a bad thing and that all they did was say it was Chinese-owned, hence making your comment a pointless attack of nonsense.
I’d like to point out that they said nothing about it being a bad thing
I think it’s pretty clear that that’s exactly what they were implying. What is it that you think they meant by that?
And I agree with them. I also agree that it’s not racist but anything Chinese is pretty much defacto-owned and operated by the CCP.
Hooray pointless-nonsense-spew!
Chromium is owned by Google. That should be bad enough
Opera was bought by a Chinese data analytics company, and once that happened, they scrapped their engine and used chromium to save money.
They have questionable CCP ties too.
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Maybe use that information to try and influence the public in the same way that cambridge analytica did for the 2016 elections.
Someone having that data is a problem in itself
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lol. This thread is about people mad that google is doing it, and you’re saying so what if a nation state does it?
The answer is the same either way - to either sell the data to a party who want to manipulate you into doing or thinking what they want or by directly manipulating you into doing or thinking what they want.
Same with Reddit and lemmy. It doesn’t take a whole lot of investment (on a state level actor basis) to manipulate small and large communities or individuals into thinking something is normal or mainstream. Or convincing them that everyone loves this product or it’s so popular or whatever.
The CCP censors their entire internet for their people and collects all sorts of information to root out dissidents. What good thing do you think is going to come from them having that data?
Opera has unfortunately given up and switched to Chromium as its backend.
At least its not chrome
Give it time. Greed is greed, just a matter of time. Personally I’m back to use the old carrier pigeon. Kinda slow but probably still better than dialup
Edit: Either y’all don’t get this was a joke, or haven’t been alive long enough to watch your hero’s die.
Either way, fuck Google, sorry to rain on the parade
And soon, the carrier pigeon breeders will start tagging them with tracking chips…
Stooooop 😂😂😂
Carrier pigeons are still faster than the internet, tested again this year to prove it
Bandwidth, maybe, but that latency…
Or they just didn’t think it was funny…
Absolutely not. I’ve seen what you people think is funny.
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Firefox gets like 90% of its revenue from Google.
Keep Firefox independent and donate: https://donate.mozilla.org/en-US/?form=donate
But donating your money can not make firefox independent.It will only make firefox more revenue.
Google wants to keep mozilla afloat to stay out of anti-competitive allegations.
If mozilla gets market share, google will defund them. That mozilla have a money will help.
Also mozilla’s other projects are also good ;)
Also big CEO wallets.
Nothing in comparison to others but there is some special pay going.But it’s definitely the lesser of the evils.
Some of Mozilla’s other projects are good, iirc there was a journalist a few years ago who chronicled how Mozilla had donated a lot of money to other charities unrelated to it’s goal rather than reinvesting in the business so that it can try to ween off of Google reliance.
And the money won’t go to Firefox, but Mozilla’s other projects.
This is true. I am unsure why this comment is getting downvoted more.
Firefox has been my go-to, but I’ve left Chrome installed just to have on hand incase some website fuckiness could be solved with a browser change.
Naw. It’s not worthy of staying around even for that. Time to completely scrub my devices of google.
Feeling the same, it’s surprising how many companies are just leaning towards screwing users for a few more pennies on the dollar. Eventually, Google with be the next AOL.
Just need their Time-Warner to put the last nail in the coffin
We can only pray, the ghouls.
Eventually, Google with be the next AOL.
I am anti-google all day, but that’s ridiculous.
I’ve been doing similar; been using Firefox, but Chrome is installed for its browser-wide automatic captioning. Not something I need often, but I rely on it for the occasional remote meeting here and there. I’m sure free automatic captioning applications exist for my operating system, but I’d have to actually test each one to see if they actually work, and it’s just been so convenient keeping Google’s around.
(Speaking of which, if anybody happens to have recommendations for free automatic captioning software that works on Ubuntu, I seem to be in the market…)
I suggest to use chromium as the backup “in case a webpage doesn’t work on Firefox” browser. All the compatibility but no telemetry.
But why use chromium or any chromium based browser since google disabled ad blocking plug-ins?
I suggest it as the backup browser. Use Firefox and if you need to open something that only works on chrome, I’d rather use chromium, so Google doesn’t rape your computer when trying to use the internet.
Eh, did they? I’m sure I still have Ublock Origin on the work browser, which is Chrome.
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Nah, I use Edge for that. Chrome is only for work for me, but I think I’m going to migrate to another Chromium-based browser for that.
The site you’ve linked to literally uses Facebook and Google browser trackers. Pretty hypocritical of them if you ask me.
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It’s always funny/sad to see that “we care about your privacy” doublespeak on an article about digital privacy
So my takeaway from this is to never use Chrome again? Gotcha.
If everyone who said they were going to do this actually did this, Chrome wouldn’t do this, if that makes sense.
Or, idk, regulators could like, do their jobs.
Unfortunately, if the government had one single source to secretly control/monitor the world wide web from then they would gladly stand back and do nothing.
Having said that, I truly hope I’m wrong. And they are probably already doing what I described upstream from the browser anyways.
It’s really irritating but some websites only work on Chrome for me. They range from work related to Google Meet instances. I only use it then but yeah.
Have never had an issue with degoogled chromium not working on any sites that don’t work with Firefox.
I don’t think I’ve used Google Chrome itself for over 3 years now (excluding on other people’s devices). I don’t plan to ever use it again either.
At one point I was switching back and forth, because I’d see a general decline in Firefox for some reason. I don’t know if it was just getting overloaded with extensions that were hitting its performance or if my machine itself was having problems or if Firefox’s performance was shit for awhile, but I’d switch from Firefox to Chrome, try going back to Firefox, then back to Chrome, but I’ve been with Firefox for a good few years now without issue. The browser “market” is even crowded now, there’s no reason to go back to Chrome, since there’s so many other choices out there (though avoiding Chromium might be a little bit trickier).
We have firefox, iceweasel, fennec (android). Anything else not firefox based is chrome based. Don’t get tricked by opera and similars.
You can still change browser.
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There is an issue with monoculture of rendering engines. Developers assume every browser have the same things implemented and start to build around this assumption. Also Google can dictate how the web looks like.
Exactly, we’ve seen this previously with Internet explorer.
And Netscape before that, it had reached 90% market share.
You’re missing the point. Netscape implemented the html standard, they didn’t introduce new, proprietary “features” to gain that market share.
That’s not the same.
Microsoft was hostile to web standards and would not implement W3C recommendations in Internet Explorer, which meant most web devs would be wasting their time implementing those standards since almost all users were on IE back then.
Chromium actually does follow standards, and has adoption through voluntary downloads rather than by being preinstalled on the monopoly OS.
There are two things to consider here:
- Adherence to Standards
- Creating artificial “feature” based defacto standards
Chrome offers adherence to standards as one of their features. But it also introduces new features that look like standards, meant to increase profits for the parent company.
Chrome offers adherence to standards as one of their features. But it also introduces new features that look like standards, meant to increase profits for the parent company.
VB.Net was exactly that. Difference being Microsoft’s interest was locking companies and governments onto Microsoft’s enterprise products vs Google’s user tracking. Easy, quick internal web app put together in half a day? Would never work right on Netscape. It takes work to make them work to standards.
Using chromium based browsers keeps power over web standards and such in google’s hands, i.e enforces their ever growing monopoly. So if you want a competitive/fair environment on the web, it’s best to avoid them altogether and stick to firefox or safari.
Funny you mention Safari, because you know, Safari is the only browser allowed on iOS. Every other browser has to use Safari to render web pages if they want to be in App Store - once again the only allowed source of packages.
Safari on iOS is literally worse than IE and Chrome combined.
Aren’t Firefox funded by Google in order to present a false sense of competition in the browser market?
Google pays to be the default search in Firefox, it was Bing for a while.
Also it pays to keep mozilla alive.It helps in defending anti-competitive lawsuits.
Sad to say there are only two engines available for the open web.(Not considering Safari as that is only available on apple)
The WebKit engine Safari uses is still open source, Gnome Web and Konqueror use it. It definitely has a small non-apple userbase but it’s an option
Unfortunately for Android, Chromium based browsers are, at the moment, significantly more secure than Firefox based ones.
Edit: For the people down voting me, feel free to make a principled stand to avoid Chromium browsers on Android, just understand the risks. Again, specifically for Android. Here’s some reading:
Sadly it is still a problem. Fortunately there are some pretty good mobile browsers like Cromite available!
RIP Bromite
Mulch is pretty solid as well.
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Unless the developers of other browsers take specific steps, the ad engine will get pulled on the next update of their Chromium engine, that’s the problem.
Source? I was under the impression this is a chrome-specific addition, not being added to chromium.
It’s in Chromium, the other browsers have just disabled/patched it out: https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/src/+/refs/heads/main/components/privacy_sandbox/privacy_sandbox_prefs.h
// Un-synced boolean pref indicating if Topics API is enabled.
inline constexpr char kPrivacySandboxM1TopicsEnabled[] = “privacy_sandbox.m1.topics_enabled”;`
e.g. Vivaldi:
https://vivaldi.com/blog/technology/heads-up-googles-going-off-topics-again/
Then they really have crossed a line.
Maybe it’s time for someone to fork it.
They have forked it though? That’s why almost all the other Chromium-based ones don’t have this enabled by default or completely disable it (even if you tried to turn it on).
If you’re talking about forking the entire project and using it as a base that diverges from what Google does, I don’t think that’s going to happen. Not even Microsoft with their billions had the desire to maintain a totally separate engine anymore and I don’t see the other Chromium-based browsers redirecting efforts from useful things like better UIs, privacy enhancements, etc into just keeping feature/performance parity.
They’re based on Chromium, Not Google’s altered version of it.
Safari isn’t Chromium based! But I’m not a fan of it on Desktop, just iOS.
Firefox for all my other devices.
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Been using it exclusively for a few years now, I’m pretty happy with it
It’s the only search engine i use.
You guys are way to late to quit chrome, and you probably won’t at this point. This is what happens when you don’t swap, you enable this anti-consumer monopoly behavior.
All the people saying to just use Firefox have zero fucking clue how screwed we are with google implenting the forced attestation for the removal of ad blockers too. Chrome will be the internet. Its already been initially deployed in chromium.
Please don’t confuse Internet with WWW, it’s making discussion like this even harder, thanks.
Okay, still use Firefox
For people who roll their eyes when someone mentions Linux and all of the free and open source projects adjacent to it (including Firefox!), this is exactly why many people value those things. We actually can have freedom in computing and it’s worth pushing for. We don’t have to roll over simply accept what Google, Microsoft and Apple want.
But there are a few specific hardware configurations and specialized jobs that Linux doesn’t work for, therefore nobody should use it!
Why not be happy both OS options exist? Both have a place and a use and in various ways an ease of use
That’s the point. We want options for OSs to exist, instead of one company monopolizing the entire market.
Linux with 100% market share can’t monopolize the entire market because it doesn’t have a centralized distro
You see similar to Google with Redhat/Canonical. If everyone was with them then it would be a problem
Linux with 100% marketshare means nothing.
GPL is designed to protect developer rights, not user rights.
If google packaged your linux distro and sold it through the play store bundled with their own apps and sandboxed everything and called it chromeOS, your rights would not be any better protected.
Security and privacy involves users making informed choices to protect themselves, full stop.
And as long as Chrome OS didn’t have majority market share it would be fine
Woosh…
What use is there for the others?
My workplace is transitioning a bunch of their data and processing to the cloud. When I look at what software makes the cloud work, there is soooo much open source software there. Big business is quite comfortable with FOSS
I change from Chrome to Firefox recently on all devices and it was a pretty easy transition.
Doing same thing right now… only two things I will miss are chromecast and page translation.
Good news about page translation, Firefox is adding it, and it’s all done locally too, no phoning home to their or somebody else’s translation servers.
I wonder if there’s an extension for Chromecast support? Might be worth looking into
Good news about page translation, Firefox is adding it, and it’s all done locally too, no phoning home to their or somebody else’s translation servers.
Till then there is this open source extension which provides the same functionality including local offline translation
Sadly, no, there is no chromecast extension (which I am aware of).
Actually there is one, but it’s not very good if I’m being honest ( but workable).
I’m kind of surprised that no open source project of renown has ever decided to implement that on Firefox well.
There is? What’s it called?
For translation you can use this. Since you can use Google translation service as the backend(?), it works as good as Google translate atleast in my experience
Thanks a lot, this extension looks very much as what I need. I wish Apple stopped their WebKit policy on iPhone so I could use it on mobile Firefox too…
For the time being I’m using TWP for translation. Seems to work flawlessly
I think libretranslate has a extension but I could be wrong
only two things I will miss are chromecast and page translation.
You can use your phone to start the chromecasting, and translate.google.com lets you also put in a weblink to translate a whole page at once.
I’m using 2 extensions from the Firefox store, Simple Translate and Translate This Page. If one goes down, I use the other. Sometimes I use translate.yandex.ru as well.
the main thing holding me back is the password manager in Chrome and having to basically use 2 browsers as passwords are slowly saved to a new system
Do yourself a favour and get Bitwarden or similar. Browser password managers are way too vulnerable.
I’ve only had issues with Nordpass crashing occasionally when auto-filling, but it’s otherwise pretty seamless
The only issue is I have to keep a chromium browser because there are a few sites that Firefox has issues with. But the vast majority work fine.
Can you not use those sites? The reason they don’t work is because there userbase uses chrome.
Unfortunately I’m not in the business of working for them. They are mostly govt sites in my country and we simply have to work with them sometimes. Their web devs are underpaid general workers who know a bit of Joomla but added this and that shit to the point that it works only on Chrome.
Use Edge.
Use Ublock if you haven’t (Firefox extension)
- Ublock Origin, not Ublock
Lol nice. People using chrome be like
That’s clever meme template usage if I’ve ever seen one
does this happen on Linux too?
i have to keep chrome around for sites that breaks with ff / ublock, but i only open it when i need it.
I have a chromium install lying around for that. Bizarrely the online conferencing tool my bank uses has issues with Firefox despite advertising Firefox support which is pretty much the only thing I need the Chromium browser for
Use brave
Use brave
Rather, use un-googled chromium. Brave is kind of bloated with all of the extra “features” they have.
Where can I download it from ? Can you please share the link for windows? . Ungoogled chromium for android is not maintained anymore.
Thanks bro
Time to uninstall chrome. Can I move my passwords, bookmarks and saved data there? How do I do it?
When you install any browser (Firefox recommend) it ask you if you want to transfer browser data. It will guide you through (its pretty much automatic)
just adding that granted FF already has a decent password manager there are also reliable, free and open source and audited independent password manager like as
- Bitwarden (remote service as basic or premium plan, optionally self hosted, user friendly service, very likely has some account migration wizard tool to help importing data from browsers) and
- KeepassXC (local, user managed, a bit techy)
which both can plug in any browser through their respective extension.
Being both an independent option from the browser they help the user not making him vendor locked to his browser through his saved data.
Plot twist: Bitwarden on desktop is Chromium browser based.
Still can be used in FF as plugin.
Good to know! I’ve never installed bitwarden desktop and always used the Firefox extension. I just recently found out that Bitwarden has a desktop app. I was thinking of trying it out, until I read your comment. I think I’ll just stick with the extension. Thank you for your TED talk.
There’s nothing special about it. It’s just the extension in a larger format. I’ve tried to use it a few times, but there’s no gain over the extension. And, typically the extension is better because I already have my browser open, so I don’t need to open a new app.
Pretty much every web-app wrapped into a desktop environment uses Electron, which is based in Chromium.
Avoid webapps ported to desktop, noted.
Unless you can run them over Firefox, using this for example
And if being techie doesn’t scare you, Bitwarden can be paired with Vaultwarden, which potentially gives you sync for free.
KeepassXC is not available for Android.
The Android implementation is called KeePassDX.
There’s also KeePass2Android. I opted for this because it brings a very useful feature called QuickUnlock. Your opened database gets locked in standby but you can reopen it with just the last 3 characters without needing to retype the whole passphrase.
Good to know.
KeepassDX can quick unlock with the device pin or with biometrics but the major hassle vs bitwarden is the management of syncing the database, which can be opened as file from the mobile and the desktop app also at the same time, instead bitwarden access your pwd database only remotely and only querying it, but the file is opened only on the server.
But browsers plugin work in the same way, they connect to the local app like it was a server, so it might be possible in the future that there will be an app which can access the db remotely, with this being opened only from the app on the desktop.
Good to know.
The only reason I use chrome is for the passwords feature and realising that it is a separate service to android password manager has made it pointless. I thought changing phones would be easier as it had my bank apps and everything in chrome but it never promoted.
to manage passwords, use bitwarden
is not tied to any browser, it sync between devices and it’s free.
there are clients for Android and desktop, most likely ios too.
Now that Firefox is getting in-page translation capability, Chrome does not offer any features I am missing anymore. As long as they don’t start performance wars, like the shit that happened with Youtube a while ago, I’ll be fine
Wait really? Is it on the stable version or do I need to install beta/nightly?
You can read up on it here https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/features/translate/
That’s fantastic if the quality is good. I only use chrome now for pages purely in Japanese that I need to deal with and can’t properly read in full yet (which, living in Japan, is a fair few, heh). EDIT: Bah, no Japanese support. Oh well; some day.
Thanks, didn’t realize it’s an add-on. Much better because now I can use it on Librewolf. :D
you can also set
browser.translations.enableto true in about:config for full-page translations. it’s kinda slow and the languages are limited compared to google translate, but other than that it’s fine. also, it works offline if you install the languages https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/website-translationOffline translation, nice. I’m gonna miss Opera GX stylish theme but I’m ready to ditch Chromium-based browser again, at least on desktop :D
Edit: I’be checked the add-on, unfortunately my mother language and other popular languages are not supported yet.
Honestly, I was already using FF for my home. Made the switch on Mobile after seeing this on the news yesterday. I’m just one person though.
I’ve also switched to FF on both desktop and mobile because of this. So there’s two of us!
Moi makes trois!
I’ve been using Firefox Mobile for years. It’s never let me down and having mobile adblock is great
Apparently Firefox can synchronise your bookmarks between your desktop and your mobile app? Does anyone have experience with this?
Works perfectly for me, though by default mobile bookmarks are in their own folder, iirc
Bookmarks is a little finicky in my experience, but tabs syncing between devices is quite good, but not as automatic as I want to be.
Not just that, it has a great password manager I’ve been using for years now. You can also sync tabs.
I switched my whole family several years back. Nobody has any issues with it.
Switched back to Firefox. Easy transition. Fuck Google.
