“Is Lebanon part of Israel’s promised territory?” — Jerusalem Post, 5 days ago
They’ve removed it since. Too mask-off to release in english I guess.
“promised territory” hmm where have I heard that before…
Wow this is batshit.
That is religion. It is crazy to me that we live in this age with endless knowledge at our fingertips and people still believe all of this nonsense.
We can look into the belief systems and religions of people from all over the world, and somehow the majority of us can’t look at our own systems and realize that it’s all bullshit.
You can hear the teachers in rural India say, “The caste system is the will of God! How can you question the will of god?” A couple clicks later and you can hear a child Imam saying, “How can there be any god besides Allah?!” A few more clicks, you can hear a rabbi say, “We are the people chosen by god!” A couple more clicks and you hear the preacher say, “All other gods are false gods. Only our son of god is the one true god!” Hell, you can go down a rabbit hole of all the “gods” currently living with lucky followers of the one true living god right here, right now. Vissarion in Siberia gave those lucky bastards the Last Testament they’ll ever need to read. Imagine being lucky enough to shake your god’s hand and watch him prance around in white and burgundy robes and grow old before your eyes.
There are so many one true gods out there. You’d think that alone would make people think and question their own one true god. Nope. Not only do the majority of us keep putting our hands together and saying amen, we got folks out here making brand new gods today for future people to fight and die for.
It’s amazing.
They believed this from day 1 I might add.
Rabbi Shay Tahan, the Rosh Kollel of Shaarei Ezra in Brooklyn, NY, graciously opens the gates to understand them.
White dude from Brooklyn: “God promised me Lebanon”
What the fuck you doing, Israel?
These kinda of things are why the US supports Israel. It helps destabilize the neighbors that don’t fall in line with US interests. The US fears a sovereign Middle East where they get to choose what to do with their own countries and resources, not just for the usual Imperialist reasons, but because of the importance of the petrodollar system.
Underrated analysis
That’s too 5-d chess for “the US” to pull off. I find it more plausible that the US supports Israel because Israel has a lot of powerful supporters in the US who manipulate public opinion and government policy.
It’s not 5-d chess, it’s simple politics of weakening potential rivals. If you look at history literally the same thing was done even by ancient hegemonies, it has even popular Latin name - “Divide et impera”. USA is global hegemon and acts globally.
I grew up in the evangelical movement. I heard over and over and over again (some variation of this) when I was a kid, “The nation that refuses to aid Israel will fall! All of those who turn their backs on the Jews will burn when god returns.”
Those people are deadly serious too. It wouldn’t matter what Israel does.
It self-consciously is the reason: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYLNCcLfIkM
Israel only has lobbying groups that are allowed to operate in American politics because the US was already dedicated to zionism. Otherwise there’d be, like, a Chinese AIPAC lobbying for the PRC or something.
That’s too 5-d chess for “the US” to pull off.
It is not a complicated strategy. It just requires a large group that cares about the petrodollar. The US has a ton of those people in high places in government and finance.
The US invented the petrodollar.
I find it more plausible that the US supports Israel because Israel has a lot of powerful supporters in the US who manipulate public opinion and government policy.
Israel has powerful supporters in the US because it is in the interests of capital to support Israel. The higher interests of capital do understand why the Middle East must be destabilized for their own gain. They are fully aware of and influence, for example, the invasion to control Iraq’s oil fields and depose the government of Iraq that was acting too sovereign about it. Same for the Syrian oil fields seized and controlled by the US to this day. This is also why the US promotes the Saudis as an ally - they stabilize the petrodollar system. It is no coincidence that they also target an independent Yemem.
Powerful supporters are just the middlemen for capital, as are major media campaigns. It is not explanatory to say that powerful people support a country or policy. Of course they must do so, that is how every policy decision happens: the powerful people fall in line with the decisions of capital, decisions that may have been made decades ago but are now entrenched. Capital also leverages its close collaboration with the highest levels of the state. The White House is constantly consulting finance, economic advisors from finance, think tanks built to advance the interests of finance, etc (finance is the dominsnt wing of caoital in the US). And in the other direction, capital is constantly making threats and PR pushes.
that’s just antisemitic “the jews are secretly in control” shit by another name
As demonstrated by @theangryseal@lemmy.world the zionists in America are not all Jewish. In fact, there are likely many more evangelical zionists in the USA than Jewish zionists. Also, most of the jews I know (especially younger ones) are anti-zionist.
But cheers on the Israel=Judaism hasbara
yes i am aware of all of this. none of that in any way interacts with my point, which is that “actually israel is secretly pulling the strings of the U.S. via shadowy manipulation” fucking reeks and it has the distinction of not being true
Genocide, same thing they’ve been doing with infinite help from the US
exactly what the us allows them to do. I can only guess that kind old uncle sam has been feeding its billions in war change to israel for reasons more compelling than mere genocide (but that would suffice for some). a middle east ground “incursion” may be it.
because nothing could possibly go wrong with this. nothing at all.
Whatever the fuck they want. Both American parties are pro-genocide, and their voters are either too stupid or too scared to demand otherwise. Its relevant because Israel could be doing absolutely none of this without US backing. US voters had (and somewhat still have) an opportunity to demand from their candidates but as I said, either too stupid or too scared to demand it.
Now Israel has carte blanc.
Things I agree with:
- fuck Israel
Things I disagree with:
- Israel has amassed such an arsenal, it can continue this shit on it’s own for a good while. An arms embargo would still be appropriate though
- Voters are demanding a cease fire and have been for a long time. No one is scared. A lot of people have enough national problems to worry about, that they put first
- it’s carte blanche, carte is feminine
99% of genocidal fascist settler states give up right before winning a 4 front war, FACT
Isn’t it only two fronts? I don’t think there’s much fighting going on in the West Bank, only one-sided slaughter.
they’re also being bombed by Yemen, and iirc there’s a buildup of troops and equipment on the Syrian border in the Golan Heights region
The day I can post an Assad ‘who must go’ meme but its Isreal will be the best day of my life.
Imagine Israel does so much horrible shit that all the sides in the Syrian Civil War just agree to stop fighting eachother and fight Israel instead for now.
I see. That makes sense.
Isn’t it only two fronts?
This isn’t a war, it’s a slaughter.
I’ve read The Guardian article about the situation, and what stuck out to me was this:
The US president, Joe Biden, said he was aware of Israel’s plans to launch an operation into Lebanon as he urged against such a move. “I’m more aware than you might know and I’m comfortable with them stopping,” he told reporters at the White House. “We should have a ceasefire now.”
Thank you Biden, just wag your finger and keep feeling “comfortable with them stopping”, that is ought to give you some moral victory points which is all that matters (and not thousands of civilians being killed by Israel that’s funded by US).
Imagine being either more bloodthirsty or more incompetent (or both) that Reagan.
😭
the worst part is that Biden saying that is like the most you’ll ever hear any american politician say. Thats “Radical” to them. “Hey maybe don’t invade lebanon” “omg are you an antisemite?”
Israel is bekng run by a bunch of racist antisemitic ghouls
So it’s actually happening…
I am so so so expecting a nuclear exchange in or around the middle east witin 12 months - possibly after a “dirty nuke” attempt somewhere.
I am clutching at straws to even excuse this out of my top 3 worst case black swans.
only positive news is that nuclear winter will sure fix up that global warming thing real good.
There won’t be an exchange; only Israel has nukes; it’ll just be genocide in a different location
more than a few actors may (likely?) have very low yield devices. only takes a few to panic people and governments into stupid actions.
I mean Iran doesn’t have nuclear weapons but they do have a nuclear program and it’s very easy to go from there to nukes. Correct me if I’m wrong but AFAIK the principle behind nukes is pretty simple and it’s modern geopolitics that makes them hard to get.
This will lead to WW3. Plus the blow back will be endless. You can’t murder tens of thousands of people, and displace and starve millions with out creating terrorists.
They think that hezbollah and hamas and all the attacks on Israel by both are 100% unprovoked and brought on by some inbred hatred for jews. Hell, I was accused of being a bigot simply for being Lebanese and it was somehow taught to me as a child that I must hate Israel because of where I was born.
Nothing could be farther than the truth. I hate Israel and zionism the same way I fucking hate the nazis. It is because of what they believe, what they did, and what they are doing now, and what they plan on doing.
And whatever blindfolded bigotry is in these areas they are justifying with their actions. Do they think someone who just had their lives, friends and family blown up or stolen by Israel is going to think rationally? I’d tell you what I’d do in the Palestinians shoes but it’ll probably get me on a FBI watch list.
A person born with hatred out of those conditions is not a terrorist. They have every right to feel the way to do.
Typical westerners, acknowledging their plight and still blaming the victims.
That’s not the message or point I was making. I’m not blaming the victims. Just read my other replies.
Using the word ‘terrorist’ doesn’t convey that message at all, unless you mean it sarcastically or facetiously. Which also wasn’t conveyed. Just saying, might be good to use an indicator. Especially when Americans are such blood thirsty psychos.
Blow back implies it’s the person who (UN sanctioned terrorist Isreal and America) is the aggressor hurts themselves by harming others.
That’s a weird take. Why do you think anyone becomes a terrorist? It’s usually not because they had a normal upbringing.
Not will be. Is. The blowback from last time was, among other things, Hezbollah.
There are countless fake Lebanese who claim that this invasion is justified and it is 100% hezbollah fault (yeah right) while not realizing that this shit could lead to something far worse.
WW3 is the something worse. I don’t see how this goes any other way. China and Russia will back Arab nations to stick it to the US if our troops get involved. (we just sent 10k troops to the region as “peace keepers and advisors” totally won’t backfire like very other time) We are moving away from the proxy War phases and straight into full on global war.
The US military is gearing for war with the PRC around 2027, so I expect sometime in the next decade for a serious war.
With fucking nukes I might add.
Where will “I’ll attack them coz they attacked me coz I attacked them coz they attacked me…” finally lead to? Anything can be justified based on when you start looking at the history, and each new attack only fuels the next.
Where will “I’ll attack them coz they attacked me coz I attacked them coz they attacked me…” finally lead to?
The end of Israel as an apartheid genocidal settler-colonial state. You can look to South Africa for an example.
This was always going to happen after the pagers exploded. Netanyahu is finalizing his legacy before he loses the next election. He’s taking out all of Israel’s enemies’ ability to wage war.
Netanyahu is ensuring October 10 doesn’t happen again in the foreseeable future and also expanding land grabs at a rapid pace. He doesn’t give a single fuck about civilian death tolls to achieve his goals.
Do you know what blow back is? You don’t just kill tens of thousands of innocent people, and displace/starve millions of people without creating more terrorists. Isreal told us what Hamas and Hezbollah wanted in negotiations. Stop the occupation, embargo, and settlements in Gaza and the west bank and return all land stolen in those areas. Isreal said no. Does that sound responsible for Isreal? No because they don’t want peace. They want the land and will kill everyone currently living on it. Top officials in the Israeli government has publicly said that’s what they want, but we’re still having this fucking discussion?! Nah fam, this is full on genicide. Do you honestly think the middle east will be more peaceful if Israel gets everything they want? Buckle up buckaroo, next stop WW3.
…and this ensures it will happen again. with greater magnitude. the machine needs more meat.
This is pleasing to the USA because the machine needs more money too.
The recent military attacks on the people of Lebanon have increased Netanyahu’s popularity. When people talk about Netanyahu being unpopular, they often forget that this is because his government isn’t sufficiently meeting demands for blood and retribution and making the Israeli Ubermenschen feel like they are perfectly safe and dominant at all times. Attacks on Lebanon checks all 3 boxes, at least in their minds.
Countries typically have the highest approval ratings when waging war.
George H. W. Bush and George W. Bush had the highest approval ratings among US presidents at 89% and 90% respectively when the US was invading Iraq and Afghanistan (source), so this is to be expected.
The power of modern propaganda is impressive and frightening.
IIRC, there were members of his administration who resigned due to how slowly he was genociding the Gazans.
Yes and particularly from his special little Gazan genocide task force.
You think he’s going to give up power?
Why does this community think there shouldn’t be a ground invasion after 1000s of missles are launched at a country? All I ever hear is emotionally charged statements against Israelis. But people keep punching the big kid and then keep getting mad when he punches back.
Because Israel is a settler-colonial genocidal project. It isn’t a nation, it’s a dog of Empire. Israel strikes first, and commits war crimes, and now you’re carrying water for fascists when the victims actually push back.
Where would you rather they go? Fucking Auschwitz??
Where they came from. Netanyahu is from Philidelphia.
“Blood and soil” is fascist rhetoric.
Dog of Empire? How dare you speak of the glorious Cleon dynasty in such a manner!
You’re just talking emotionally laden propaganda. From the way you talk, you just want war.
Which part was propaganda? I’ll carefully explain any of my views. I want the genocidal settler-colonial entity Israel to be dissolved, and a democratic Palestinian state to replace it for Palestinians and former-Israelis alike.
The part you wrote. The first post definitely, and then also this last post. It’s the words you used, and then the order you placed those words in.
So all left wing views are propaganda, lmao. Typical right-winger.
Your words weren’t left, don’t try to hide behind us
settler-colonial genocidal project. It isn’t a nation, it’s a dog of Empire.
Is meaningless, we oppose the killing, we oppose the inequality with which they treat their neighbours. We still support their existence, we just want it to be a better existence
Your words weren’t left, don’t try to hide behind us
100% of my words were written from Leftist analysis.
Is meaningless, we oppose the killing, we oppose the inequality with which they treat their neighbours. We still support their existence, we just want it to be a better existence
Offering mere platitudes and “thoughts and prayers” for a better world instead of actually working towards it is idealism, not materialism. Don’t carry water for fascists.
This is the 4th ground invasion by Israel, and are gearing up for a second occupation of Lebanese territory. Israel is using the same tactics as always when going in to occupy and settle land. You’re forgetting that the ‘big kid’ has been the aggressor, been committing genocide for a year, apartheid for much longer, and has never stopped it’s Settler Colonialist land grabs
I mean, this shit has been going back and forth longer than we’ been alive. Saying one side is the aggressor is using some pretty heavy blinders.
Your method of saying one combatant is wrong and the other combatant is good is laughable. It just reeks of insincerity and propaganda for some party that wants more war in the world.
You don’t have a single thought in your head and the only thing you’re covering it with is this haughty affectation.
I mean, this shit has been going back and forth longer than we’ been alive. Saying one side is the aggressor is using some pretty heavy blinders.
you’re just being a dipshit fascist doing “it’s too complicated to argue with so just let it happen” like with literally every other time ‘the big kid’ commits crimes against humanity
It’s weird how we didn’t see blood and soil nazis like you coming forward with “it’s complicated” rhetoric when Oct 7 happened. Now that it’s Israel wanting to annex more territory with terrorism and pogroms you’re on board.
