https://www.nissanusa.com/privacy.html
Sensitive personal information, including driver’s license number, national or state identification number, citizenship status, immigration status, race, national origin, religious or philosophical beliefs, sexual orientation, sexual activity, precise geolocation, health diagnosis data, and genetic information.
Please make this reach the front page because it’s beyond ridiculous
How would your car even know your sexual activity?
by you parking four hours infront of a known brothel or by you shagging someone on the backseat of your char, clearly. /some sarcasm in there
How do they even capture this stuff? Are you expected to write some essays before you can buy the car?
I don’t see how the things you highlighted are worse than any of the rest of it.
It’s all bad.
At the very least… cant the US implement one of the basic rules from GDPR?
In simple terms, what data can companies keep?
Data need to have: OK
Data nice to have: Not OK
I’d much rather they implement the right to deletion. I know they will get their hands on a ton of data, regardless of how we write the clause. But at least let me delete that data when I want it gone.
GDPR includes right to delete data too.
The US will absolutely not implement anything remotely like GDPR, because that would hurt the profits of a LOT of companies who happen to have a LOT of lobbyists on K street.
So you’re telling me that you pay tens of thousands and still pay with privacy
With unfettered capitalism, we are always the product in some way.
I want a free car with personalised ads!
there is a car that goes 10kmph every three days untill you watch a 30 second ad about an arthritis medication
It’s the Microsoft business model taken to the extreme.
So at what point do we just decide "Fuck companies, fuck revenue, fuck anybody who has, say, a million bucks to their name in cash and assets. No more money making unless you do it without screwing people. If you can’t, you fail. Good day. "
Tax the every living fuck out of the rich, destroy data even being collectable or sellable at all in any form.
Boom, 100,000% better world to live in immediately.
Obviously pipe dream, but I think this is really the mindset to take if humans are gonna be around and have anything resembling happy lives in say, 100 years.
Problem with taxing the rich is that they just go to other countries with their money. Not saying we shouldnt, just that its not simple.
@quackers @wheeldawg It becomes a race to the bottom then. Keep driving ultra rich tax rates down and you end at zero, or worse.
Oh cool! So cars will be free now since the manufacturers are turning drivers into the product. Right? Right guys? Cars will be free?
The frustrating thing is that there’s no clear way to know exactly how much you’re exposing yourself with this. Even the article (and related links) don’t spell it out adequately (IMO).
For example, I just purchased a new(ish) 2022 Nissan. I don’t have the Nissan app on my phone and I don’t subscribe to any of their connectivity services. Is my data staying in the car or is it finding some conduit back to Nissan? Is connecting my phone to the console for music and maps opening me up to Nissan’s data collection? Is using bluetooth for music and hand-free calls exposing my data? Is there any way to know the specific avenues for data collection that present a risk and how can they be mitigated?
According to their Nissan page, your car seems to not be phoning home if you haven’t opted in. I don’t know if that applies to data they gather when you bought the car, and if you bring it in for service.
If you didn’t get the app and don’t have any of their connectivity services, then there’s no privacy issue for you. Nissan isn’t going to pay to maintain millions upon millions of internet accounts just to connect data points on a random person driving their vehicle. They have no data frame on you to identify you, and if you never give it to them, they never will.
Boy am I glad trucks are so expensive (and bedless) that I had to get a 2011 GMC Sierra 2500. This old gal doesn’t even have Bluetooth and I have to use an adapter for my jams. I said to myself that this is the last truck I own and now it looks like that’s going to be true.
Tesla is only the second product we have ever reviewed to receive all of our privacy “dings.” (The first was an AI chatbot we reviewed earlier this year.) What set them apart was earning the “untrustworthy AI” ding. The brand’s AI-powered autopilot was reportedly involved in 17 deaths and 736 crashes and is currently the subject of multiple government investigations.
How utterly unsurprising. Also,
"Consent” is an illusion
Many people have lifestyles that require driving. So unlike a smart faucet or voice assistant, you don’t have the same freedom to opt out of the whole thing and not drive a car.This is the kicker, many people need cars for unrelated reasons and the fact that ALL car brands abuse our data means there is no alternative.
What about my 14 year old Renault Kagoo?
:-)
Selling your location to the GIGN, believe it or not
It’s legitimately cool that buying a new car and having any self-respect whatsoever are mutually exclusive now.
Fuck cars.
we need a mozilla or a linux car tbh…that is feature upgradable…like adding extensions or apps
Never gonna happen unless governments force them.
What WILL happen is that more and more non-critical features will become pay to play. You’ll rent the air conditioner in your car.
Installing your own software will become (or likely already is) illegal since if you’re u do that you could play without pay on the car that you paid for with your money.
Corporations must be limited I’m what they can do, NOW. No more data monitoring and selling. No more ads pushed. No more pay to play. No more limiting what you can do with the products that you buy and own
Someone could probably make a good amount of money charging like $50 to stick a nail through the cellular chip of new cars to disable that phone home shit.
Lucky for me I can’t afford a new car anyway. I’ll just keep driving my unconnected car.
No kidding, it’s ridiculous to think they expect us to fork over $25k for cars that will invade our privacy. I have a 23 year old car I’ll drive till it’s dead before that ever happens.
Is the article valid only in the US or in Europe as well?
My car’s company isn’t on the list, but I can’t imagine they’re any better. My car is a little older, though, so I don’t think it has any way to phone home with any data…
Do new cars make you sign into your wifi with them or something? Or do they need a data connection? I suppose you could just not connect them, or even modify the hardware so it can’t transmit. There’s a joke here about putting your car into airplane mode, but I can’t find it.
Sometimes I’m glad I drive an old, barebones features car.
My cars best tech is the CD player lmao
That is why I am sticking to my Citroens and Peugeot.
Maybe a dumb question, but if all of the vehicle’s bells and whistles are meticulously recording my every move… how do those data get back to the auto manufacturer anyhow? I read the article and the “how that works” link, and sure it mentioned phone connectivity, but if I don’t connect my phone, then my car presumably has no way to communicate what it collects… or are there a bunch of extra radios that phone home (satellite, cellular…)?
Many (if not most) new cars have their own cellular service built in. They spin this as being able to hotspot to your vehicle if you pay for data or being able to remote lock/start your vehicle with their app. However, the vehicle manufacturer has their own plan allowing them to relay back telemetry data regardless of whether you buy a data package.
But isn’t an ongoing cellular plan a cost for the manufacturer? How do they afford it?
Well, they sell your data to 3rd party companies, completing the cycle that resulted in this article.
They offset the cost with services. My pickup has a service where, for $15/month, I can replicate everything the key fob does for free, but with longer range using my phone. I don’t pay for it; in 9 years of owning the truck, not once have I had a need to unlock the doors or remote start it from farther away than the key fob reaches, but each person who does pay for it - and you know there are many out there that are all in - probably offsets the cost for several who do not.
If it offered more features, like letting me know how much fuel is in the tank or the condition of the filters and tire pressures - all of which is available in the on board computer - I’d be more interested, but I’m still not sure I’d pay $15/month for that.
Jokes on them, though - it has a 2G radio in it, which is now useless. They keep trying to get me to buy their upgraded radio for it “so I can keep using those services” that I don’t use. I was like, send it to me free and I’ll consider it, but they want me to pay $150 or something for it. Pass.
I intend to keep that pickup as close to forever as possible.
Miniscule amount of data. Probably cheap AF negotiated prices
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I’m pretty sure those are illegal.
Bruh those are highly illegal. At least in not backwards countries.
Youre also jamming other peoples services. what happens in an emergency?deleted by creator
And chinese laser pointers are also exactly the mw that is specified.
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I for one appreciate the information you’ve shared here.
God you folk are dummies.
Maybe people just don’t 100% trust the word of someone they don’t know on the internet, when they make claims without any supporting evidence. That’s not dumb; it’s appropriately cautious. Do you have any evidence to back up what you say?
