• livus@kbin.social
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    @philo I don’t think I did. You’re conflating the existance of antisemitism with the rise (increase) in antisemitism.

    What is “it” in this sentence: the existence or the rise:

    blaming Israel for it now

    I don’t think there’s anything in @andrewrgross’s post to suggest they think that antisemitism is a modern phenomenon created by Israel. That would be a very peculiar position.

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      One last try before I write you off. Antisemitism exists regardless of the existence of Israel. there have been many rises in antisemitism throughout history ALL BEFORE 1947 so Israel’s governmental policy can’t be blamed. They all had differing causes though. If the cause can be random, how can you blame a government when it is obvious the cause is something much deeper.

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        You are being ridiculous and I have a hard time believing that you are making this argument earnestly.

        Your argument: there were sometimes fires before there was home electricity, therefore how can we blame electricity for causing fires?

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        • There’s a lake in my town which exists (antisemitism).

        • The reason it exists is it is fed by a stream (deep-rooted cultural antisemitist sentiment as a cultural practice that uses desire to scapegoat, etc).

        • However, events such as storms, droughts, human water use (crusades, nazism, nakba) have caused this lake to rise higher or lower over the years.

        To acknowledge that events contribute to the rise or the fall of the water level is not the same as claiming that the events are the cause of it existing per se.

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          line 1 and line 3 are fine. Line 2 is where you and most likely tons of others make light of the problem. Bye.

          • livus@kbin.social
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            @philo thanks. If line 3 is fine then I’ve sucessfully made my point, since line 3 is the part you had a problem with above.