Imo, having Proton just copy Google but actually be private is exactly what I want. Of course, if they stray away from privacy then there will be issues. I also feel like they are making good stuff. As a subscriber myself I don’t have many issues with their offering other than the stuff they don’t provide but Google does.

But Trump was the first president (since the US tried to break up Microsoft) to seriously start thinking about fighting big tech. Obviously for dumb reasons (they hurt his feelings) but still, I don’t think that statement is inaccurate. However, it is true he isn’t the first politician to say something against big tech. Even so, he was in a position of power to potentially do something about it (even if he never did and likely won’t now given how much they are bending the knee)

Regardless of what we think of his comments, it’s good that he is vocal about his opinions. Makes him seem like a person than some faceless CEO they says nothing.

He just got spicy with this 1 post and it hasn’t worked out for him and now the open source community Proton is a part of hate him. There is so much hate that they are leaving Mastodon which is a huge shame

So it’s naive to voice his opinion on what a Trump presidency could mean for the tech industry? Looking back to trump’s previous term big tech shunned him and Twitter even kicked him off the platform by the end of his presidency. Back then it pissed Trump off and he threatened all sorts of shit. I don’t think it was that crazy to think that he would still be upset about it and try to do something at the begining of December when Proton’s CEO made that post.

If you look at what proton is trying to do in terms of becoming a complete non-proffit that would have many safeguards in place to undo that change. I think it does show he has some level of forethought. The one caveat being that they have not completed that process and implemented everything yet so we’ll have to see if that promise follows through

Here is the CEO’s post along with a link to an article with the twitter link.

Great pick by @realDonaldTrump. 10 years ago, Republicans were the party of big business and Dems stood for the little guys, but today the tables have completely turned. People forget that the current antitrust actions against Big Tech were started under the first Trump admin.

He is supporting Trump’s pick for a roll, fair enough. But the rest of the post, he is talking about how he hopes the republicans will do something about big tech. He isn’t endorsing Trump himself or his stance of policies. Far as I’ve seen he never has. He it literally just stating what the republicans used to be about.

Damn that sounds impressive. Hopefully they can get this service deployed before the others do and they can start to claim some more market share

From a historical perspective, he wasn’t wrong. The republicans were looking more at big tech cause, in the past, big tech was very left leaning. Things have obviously changed but your quote misses that he was hopeful that Trump would do something for big tech. His hope is obviously miss placed after big tech started sicking his dick but doesn’t mean he couldn’t be hopeful

Agreed. I don’t support their decision to leave mastadon but I totally understand why they did it. Proton is on our side (as much as a company can be) so I don’t get why people keep ripping into them for something that isn’t true. He wasn’t saying he supported Trump, he just hoped the republican party would do something about big tech. Not gonna happen but we can all agree we hope it’ll happen

The EU just doesn’t have any companies that can put together something that can compete. CPUs and GPUs have been around for a while and the technical knowledge and patents these companies have gathered is basically insurmountable.

Graphcore is a startup in the UK that has been trying to get into the ai processor market for a few years but even though they got a load of money their chips have not been competitive (if they were able to get any out the door).

Arm could feasibly do it (given they already make the CPU/GPU designs) but their business model is selling the base designs to other companies. If they started to make their own chips then those that buy from ARM (Qualcomm, mediatech…) might look to developing their own risk-V chips

Imo, I think the EU should try and make a company similar in style to what happened with Airbus. Combine a bunch of companies together across the union, give them money and contracts and let them cook. Seems to me the only way to enter this kind of market.

Deepseak did show it could be done cheaply but imagine if you could take their optimisations and throw more power behind it (ie: buy a fuck tone of GPUs that the Chinese dont officially have access to)

Could work, the EU should pursue AI independence else it will continue its slide into irrelevance. Glad France is stepping up to the plate on this

I just meant generally, not sure what ‘open source’ means in the context of ai (not a programmer)

They didn’t really praise them. They just hoped that the republicans would go back to being against big tech (like they used to be 10 years ago he claims). Obviously, Trump’s not going to do that but I think we can all agree big tech is a big problem

But his ‘support’ of the republicans was saying that 10 years ago they used to be against big tech and that he hoped Trump would vary that forward. Obviously Trump is very unlikely to do this but he is literally just hoping the republicans would do something about big tech that the dema didn’t do

Sure it might but the thing is it may still acknowledge that there are different opinions on some topics. Does reflect how whilst governments may have a narrative, people can say what they think. In China, that’s a different story…

True, hosting deepseek yourself is much better. I’d still wait and see if anyone finds weird stuff in the code itself but tbh idk how long that could take.

Can’t wait for the models to get better and hopefully stay open source!

I don’t think they are that biased. They say in the article that ai models from all the leading companies are not private and shouldn’t be trusted with your data. The article is focusing on Deepseek given that’s the new big thing. Of course, since it’s controlled by China that makes data privacy even less of a thing that can be trusted.

Should we trust Deepseek? No. Should we trust OpenAI? No. Should we trust anything that is not developed by an open community? No.

I don’t think Proton is biased, they are explaining the risks with Deepseek specifically and mention how Ai’s aren’t much better. The article is not titled “Deepseek vs OpenAI” or anything like that. I don’t get why people bag on proton when they are the biggest privacy focused player that could (almost) replace google for most people!

Had me in the first half not gonna lie

After WW2 they were given some land. Of course the powers at the time didn’t give a shit that Palestinians were already living there which is why we are in this mess today.

But if you look back to what happened to the Jews during WW2, it’s no wonder they were given something as a “sorry this happened to you, here’s some land you wanted”. I’m not saying it’s right (definitely how it panned out is not) but given that was their wish it’s not surprising it happened. It is very ironic that they have become the very beast that was persecuting them

Sounds interesting but how do you know all this? Just a theory of the current vibe?

The territory they occupy in Ukrain is not theirs. They literally gave it to the Ukrainians during USSR era.