A software developer and Linux nerd, living in Germany. I’m usually a chill dude but my online persona doesn’t always reflect my true personality. Take what I say with a grain of salt, I usually try to be nice and give good advice, though.

I’m into Free Software, selfhosting, microcontrollers and electronics, freedom, privacy and the usual stuff. And a few select other random things as well.

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  • Hmmh. Sure, cross-licensing is an entirely different topic. That’s not really what we’re afraid of when for example Amazon takes some Free Software and provides it as a service. It’s just that the EUPL comes with an automatic cross-licensing option regarding the distribution of combined works.

    But I must say, I’m still confused. What’s an “essential functionality” now? Is that supposed to be a legal term? And where are the blurry lines with that? What if I offer a hosting service that heavily relies on database operations, but doesn’t expose the database itself… it’s slightly abstracted away from the customer? It’s internally 85% made up of some other person’s work, but it builds upon that Free Software and doesn’t straight provide access to it’s functionalities… Is that alright? And why (not)? And why restrict it to essential functionality? Why allow non-essential functionality? And what even is that? If someone spends half a year optimizing a database, is that deemed essential? Or can a court rule the essential thing about a database project is it fetches data, and how exactly it does it, isn’t essential to a database?

    And I still don’t see the “stronger terms prevail”. That’s not how that sentence goes. It’s very specific in: if it’s an obligation (to the licensee, btw), then the other license prevails. Not the stronger one, the other one wins any conflict. It’s just concerned with the distribution of combined works, though.


  • Isn’t both exactly the other way round?

    The license (EUPL-1.2) specifically talks about redistributing either the source, or executable files. (see definition of original work, also distribution.) Nowhere do they mention a service running the work comes with any kinds of obligations? I just can’t find any single sentence in the license text covering SaaS…

    Both “Copyleft clause” and “Provision of source code” are pretty clear as well. It’s only about distributing copies of the work. Not running it and providing it as a service.

    And regarding the compatible licenses, they say the other one wins. At least regarding the “obligations”. However that’s defined and whether it’s the licensor’s or licensee’s obligations:

    Should the Licensee’s obligations under the Compatible Licence conflict with
    his/her obligations under this Licence, the obligations of the Compatible
    Licence shall prevail.










  • Does your bank even allow you to file debit notes, or collect money from other people’s credit cards? As far as I know that’s never part of a regular consumer bank account…

    For payment in advance (if you clients put in the effort to do a bank transfer) I think there’s HBCI, FinTS or whatever standards we have integrated in some CRM and eCommerce solutions.



  • hendrik@palaver.p3x.detoSelfhosted@lemmy.worldCirclus messenger?
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    Yeah, I doubt anyone runs it, because if you follow the instructions and click on the link to the server code, it’s just missing. And the empty repository has been sitting there since May… There isn’t any Android app in the Appstore either, so you wouldn’t be able to install anything. Seems all “Circulus” is, is a shiny website with (made-up?) advertisement text.

    (And by the way, if you decide to self-host some of the standard open-source messengers… You can always just disable Federation and disallow sign-up. That way XMPP or Matrix won’t be able to connect to anyone else, except the people you invited to your server. And there’s this messenger overview, it doesn’t talk about kids-features, but maybe it’s useful nonetheless: https://www.messenger-matrix.de/messenger-matrix-en.html )


  • Yeah, Some people here really love drama and to fight other people online, preferably on a personal level. PieFed has become target of that. I don’t think it necessarily means a lot, other than we’re some high drama online place. There wasn’t any one software vs another one involved.

    But everyone is allowed to pick their favorite software. They’re both fine from a technical perspective. You’ll get some different perks, but it’s all the same Threadiverse. I myself like PieFed better, including which side of drama they end up on. But YMMV. If OP wants to start on a new journey, they’re entitled to do whatever they like. Main thing with side quests is to do something in the first place. That’s more important than the exact details.

    (Btw, I’ve also been using Lemmy for quite a while… It’s not like I’m in my comfort zone all the time.)